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(erielack) Re: EL List Daily V3 #1619
- Subject: (erielack) Re: EL List Daily V3 #1619
- From: "John J. Blair" <jjbx_@_twcny.rr.com>
- Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:03:48 -0400
- References: <200504140932.j3E9W0df086758_@_net.bluemoon.net>
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "EL List Daily" <erielack-owner_@_lists.Railfan.net>
To: <erielack-digest_@_lists.Railfan.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 5:32 AM
Subject: EL List Daily V3 #1619
>
> EL List Daily Thursday, April 14 2005 Volume 03 : Number
1619
>
>
> Subjects:
>
> Re: (erielack) M&E and Comets
> (erielack) Phoebe, on the Metro North
> Re: FW: (erielack) Morristown Bumping Block
> Re:RE: (erielack) Morristown Bumping Block
> RE: Subject: (erielack) ELHS Eastern Region Spring Meeting Report
> Re:RE: (erielack) Morristown Bumping Block
> Re:(erielack) Phoebe, on the Metro North
> (erielack) RE: Morristown Bumping Block
> (erielack) Morristown Bumping Block
> (erielack) S.J. Groves / Kodak
> RE: (erielack) DL&W kitbash help
> RE: (erielack) S.J. Groves / Kodak (EL photo!)
> (erielack) RE: Morristown Bumping Block
> (erielack) One more SJ Groves EL shot
> Re: (erielack) One more SJ Groves EL shot
> Re: (erielack) One more SJ Groves EL shot
> Re: (erielack) Phoebe, on the Metro North
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> From Archives_@_Railfan.net
> Message-ID: <410-2200543139154864_@_earthlink.net>
> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 05:15:04 -0400
> From: "Philip Martin" <martinpl3_@_earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: (erielack) M&E and Comets
>
> OK, but what are they doing in the M&E's shop?
> Philip
> >
> > Those are older ones.. 6056 is not one of the newer batches..
> > -Pat
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> From Archives_@_Railfan.net
> Message-ID: <410-22005431394217241_@_earthlink.net>
> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 05:42:17 -0400
> From: "Philip Martin" <martinpl3_@_earthlink.net>
> Subject: (erielack) Phoebe, on the Metro North
>
> Nice advertisement for the Lackawanna. I wish they had said the train
went
> to Chicago, though. The thing I liked most about the Phoebe was the
powder
> blue name boards on the NKP cars in its consist; a beautiful shade of
blue.
> I guess that makes me a heretic. $175 for ride in Phoebe car, (or any
> other car:) I'm too cheap for that.
>
> Philip
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> From Archives_@_Railfan.net
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> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 06:59:29 -0400
> From: "Philip Martin" <martinpl3_@_earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: FW: (erielack) Morristown Bumping Block
>
> Don Kern, et all
> Lafayette Ave. crosses west of the station. Lackawanna Place abuts Morris
> St. east of the station. The station is on a man-made fill, and the
> bridges on either side are probably part of that 1912? elevation project.
> I think I read that the Morristown and Erie and/or the traction company
> wanted to use the crossing west of the station; but grade wasn't low
enough
> for the interurban cars. The Lackawanna was forced to lower it for them,
> and gave the crossing to the city, as a street. It seems to me that the
> street grade would have precluded a track to the bumping block. Hence my
> guess that the freight tracks were used prior to the elevation.
> For the record, I work in Morristown station.
> Philip
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> From Archives_@_Railfan.net
> Message-ID: <id.13042005070125.00000_@_FPE>
> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:01:25 EDT
> From: "Janet & Randy Brown" <jananran_@_mymailstation.com>
> Subject: Re:RE: (erielack) Morristown Bumping Block
>
> It has become obvious to me, from the information introduced on this list,
that the block was poured in place early in the 20th century and has
remained unmoved since.
>
> You have evidence from an experienced professional engineer that it is
bigger than you see and weighs at least 10 tons. You have evidence from
another lister that it has been there a number of years.
>
> Against that, you have a lot of "I didn't see it," "I never noticed it,"
or "I can't find it in old photographs." You also have testimony that it
was buried in under- and overgrowth, probaly put there yars ago when
somebody (rightly) decided not to move it.
>
> The recent "cable scars" could have come from the people removing the
trees using it as a "deadman" or from their attempt to remove it.
>
> Whether it existed if nobody saw it implies a philosophical discussion way
beyond my scope and that of this list. Shouldn't some of this energy go
toward promoting a plaque explaining to the public what it is?
>
> Randy Brown, who never saw it.
> - --------------------------------------------------------------
> One more thing,
> I just found a picture in "The Route Of Phoebe Snow" book by Sheldon King
on page 18.
> It shows Morristown station looking east. There is a track in the
foreground to the right of the eastbound main. It joins the main just before
the platform. There is a track switching off this one that heads out in the
direction of this block and right at the side of this picture, This track
splits into two. I hope this makes some kind of sense.
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> From Archives_@_Railfan.net
> Message-ID: <002801c54018$d90e6840$6402a8c0_@_JERRY>
> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:06:30 -0400
> From: "James Harr" <bnchmark_@_earthlink.net>
> Subject: RE: Subject: (erielack) ELHS Eastern Region Spring Meeting Report
>
> My thanks to Paul, Al and others for the correct info. Very fascinating
> indeed; I would have liked to see some of that in person.
>
> Best regards;
>
> Jim Harr
>
>
>
> RE: Subject: (erielack) ELHS Eastern Region Spring Meeting Report
>
> > One of the highlights for me was, during Walt Appels' films,
> > the footage
> > he had of the SJ Groves U-boats at work in constructing I-280 through
> > the Oranges. I did't get a chance to ask - did they get there via the
> > ex-DLW line that runs adjacent to the highway?
>
> Nope, the SJ Groves equipment was brought in via the EL (ex-Erie)
> Caldwell Branch down to Essex Fells, then taken by the M&E from there to
> the location where 280 passes over the M&E today in Roseland. A steep
> curving ramp was built to get the equipment onto the Groves tracks down
> the center of Route 280. Once highway excavation was complete, the
> equipment left via the same route. The RS2 was sold to a line in
> Minnesota, I believe, and the two U33Cs were sold to the Burlington
> Northern (there's a shot in Preston Cook's EL book with an SJ Groves
> unit trailing the EL motive power on a westbound on the west end of the
> road)
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> From Archives_@_Railfan.net
> Message-ID:
<OF81D89716.D277D36D-ON85256FE2.003DEA34-85256FE2.003E456E_@_schering.net>
> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:20:10 -0400
> From: Charles_Walsh_@_Berlex.com
> Subject: Re:RE: (erielack) Morristown Bumping Block
>
> Randy,
>
> I agree. The evidence points to the bumping block as being original.
> Logically, it makes no sense that the bumping block would have been moved,
> assuming that it COULD have been moved without having to destroy it in the
> process.
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> "Janet & Randy Brown"
> <jananran_@_mymailstati
> on.com> To:
erielack_@_lists.railfan.net
> Sent by: cc:
> erielack-owner_@_lists. Subject:
> railfan.net Re:RE: (erielack)
Morristown Bumping Block
>
>
> 04/13/2005 07:01 AM
> Please respond to
> "Janet & Randy Brown"
>
>
>
>
>
> It has become obvious to me, from the information introduced on this list,
> that the block was poured in place early in the 20th century and has
> remained unmoved since.
>
> You have evidence from an experienced professional engineer that it is
> bigger than you see and weighs at least 10 tons. You have evidence from
> another lister that it has been there a number of years.
>
> Against that, you have a lot of "I didn't see it," "I never noticed it,"
or
> "I can't find it in old photographs." You also have testimony that it was
> buried in under- and overgrowth, probaly put there yars ago when somebody
> (rightly) decided not to move it.
>
> The recent "cable scars" could have come from the people removing the
trees
> using it as a "deadman" or from their attempt to remove it.
>
> Whether it existed if nobody saw it implies a philosophical discussion way
> beyond my scope and that of this list. Shouldn't some of this energy go
> toward promoting a plaque explaining to the public what it is?
>
> Randy Brown, who never saw it.
> - --------------------------------------------------------------
> One more thing,
> I just found a picture in "The Route Of Phoebe Snow" book by Sheldon King
> on page 18.
> It shows Morristown station looking east. There is a track in the
> foreground to the right of the eastbound main. It joins the main just
> before the platform. There is a track switching off this one that heads
out
> in the direction of this block and right at the side of this picture, This
> track splits into two. I hope this makes some kind of sense.
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> From Archives_@_Railfan.net
> Message-ID: <id.13042005093443.00000_@_FPE>
> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:34:43 EDT
> From: "Janet & Randy Brown" <jananran_@_mymailstation.com>
> Subject: Re:(erielack) Phoebe, on the Metro North
>
> Phoebe and her lounges went to Buffalo.
>
> Randy Brown
> - --------------------------------------------------------------
> Nice advertisement for the Lackawanna. I wish they had said the train
went to Chicago, though. The thing I liked most about the Phoebe was the
powder blue name boards on the NKP cars in its consist; a beautiful shade of
blue. I guess that makes me a heretic. $175 for ride in Phoebe car, (or any
other car:) I'm too cheap for that.
>
> Philip
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> From Archives_@_Railfan.net
> Message-ID: <20050413141109.61419.qmail_@_web51006.mail.yahoo.com>
> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:11:09 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Todd Hollritt <thollritt_@_yahoo.com>
> Subject: (erielack) RE: Morristown Bumping Block
>
> Could it be Paul discovered the last remnant of Lackawanna's Stonehenge?
There may by more to those circular parking area's you find at some
stations!
>
> Todd (ELHS 1318)
>
>
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:19:48 -0400
> From: "Tupaczewski, Paul R (Paul)" <paultup_@_lucent.com>
> Subject: RE: (erielack) Morristown Bumping Block
>
> http://www.Railfan.net/lists/listthumb.cgi?erielack-04-11-05
>
> bumper-map.jpg (image/jpeg, 700x500 36225 bytes)
>
> Whoops, here's the attachment...
>
>
>
> - ---------------------------------
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> ------------------------------
>
>
> From Archives_@_Railfan.net
> Message-ID: <BAY102-F380F3D3109BCCF578ABCC8BD340_@_phx.gbl>
> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:59:36 -0400
> From: "Christopher Vitz" <cvitz_@_hotmail.com>
> Subject: (erielack) Morristown Bumping Block
>
> NOTE: This message had contained at least one image attachment.
> To view or download the image(s), click on or cut and paste the
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>
> bumping_block.jpg (image/pjpeg, 852x463 313735 bytes)
>
> A little more info....
>
> I have attached several maps of the location through the years and a
recent
> aerial photo,
>
> The oldest being 1910 show the freight house and yard at the Morristown
> Station. It also shows the trolley line in Morris Ave. As you can see
the
> track comes right out to Morris Avenue and 1910 fits with the age of those
> blocks
>
> The second plan shows Morris Avenue in 1952 and shows the freight house
> still in place but no Lafayette Avenue. This would seem to me to be the
> same freight house shown on the 1910 plan.
>
> The last attachment is a color aerial photo of location taken in 2002.
Note
> the trees and brush in place. I placed an arrow pointing to the block.
> Those trees were removed last year and new plantings installed. I have
> driven past this location every work day for the last 9 years and the
> bumping block has been there all that time, covered by the growth.
>
> Bottom line is, it wasn't moved...
>
> Paul T., I emailed this to you directly in case it doesn't upload. I
wasn't
> sure if files over one MB will upload automatically.
>
> Chris
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> From Archives_@_Railfan.net
> Message-ID: <003301c5407b$c33cbd60$29fe8a43_@_Kitchen>
> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:54:33 -0400
> From: "Elaine and John Redden" <ejredden_@_frontiernet.net>
> Subject: (erielack) S.J. Groves / Kodak
>
> Al wrote:
>
> >The RS2, which had been upgraded to RS3 specs, was stored for a while in
the
> >NYS&W's roundhouse in Little Ferry and later was sold to Eastman Kodack
Co. in
> >Rochester, NY, as their plant switcher. It was originally owned by the
> >Minnesota Comercial RR. I have slides of it sitting a Grove's shop by
Laurel Avenue
> >in Livingston inits origianal MCRR paint. It was donated to the local
NRHS
> >chapter some years ago. Naporano scrapped the two U-boats when BN retired
them.
>
> A minor correction: The Groves RS3 was Kodak's number EK-5. This unit
was not donated
> by Kodak, but was sold by them, and eventually made its way to the
collection of the Illinois
> Railway Museum.
>
> Kodak's EK-6 (80 ton GE) and EK-9 (Alco RS-1) were donated to the
Rochester Chapter NRHS,
> in 1981 and 1997 respectively, and reside at its museum in Rush, NY. The
RS-1 started out as
> a Chicago & Western Indiana unit, so it very probably switched Dearborn
Terminal (with Erie and
> EL passenger trains) during its first 20 years <list content>
>
> JR
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> From Archives_@_Railfan.net
> Message-ID: <000201c54082$9435b100$6701a8c0_@_shops>
> In-Reply-To: <000001c53e57$97625d10$75faee04_@_cvh5z01>
> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:43:21 -0400
> From: "Paul Cappelloni" <pcap.bprr_@_verizon.net>
> Subject: RE: (erielack) DL&W kitbash help
>
> Glen,
>
> I have attempted a few Lackawanna steam kit bashes in the past but
> nothing on the scale of a Pocono. The "face" of Lackawanna steam
> engines is very distinctive and I have not found a commercial casting
> available to date.
>
> In my other projects (Freight Pacific 1175 and Consolidation 735) I
> shaved off some of the latches on the smoke box door in order to
> approximate the look. If you have access to a NPP Pocono you may be
> able to make a casting from its smoke box front. I am not sure if this
> would constitute copy right infringement since these unit have not be
> available as new in decades.
>
> Paul Cappelloni
> ELHS #1731
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: erielack-owner_@_lists.railfan.net
> [mailto:erielack-owner_@_lists.railfan.net] On Behalf Of Glen Larimer
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 1:30 AM
> To: erielack_@_lists.railfan.net
> Subject: (erielack) DL&W kitbash help
>
> Wondered if anyone out there has every attempted a kitbash of a DL& W
> 4-8-4 and would like to share their experience. I'm looking for a detail
> part that provides a reasonable match for the face of the Pocono's
> smokebox.
>
>
>
> Glen Larimer
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> From Archives_@_Railfan.net
> Message-ID: <001901c54083$56d61010$6c00a8c0_@_paultup>
> In-Reply-To: <003301c5407b$c33cbd60$29fe8a43_@_Kitchen>
> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:48:49 -0400
> From: "Paul R. Tupaczewski" <paultup_@_optonline.net>
> Subject: RE: (erielack) S.J. Groves / Kodak (EL photo!)
>
> NOTE: This message had contained at least one image attachment.
> To view or download the image(s), click on or cut and paste the
> following URL into your web browser:
>
>
> http://www.Railfan.net/lists/listthumb.cgi?erielack-04-13-05
>
>
SJGX_507+SJGX_508_SJ_Groves_extra_-_Caldwell_NJ_-_3-15-72_-_Rich_Campana_.jp
g (image/jpeg, 1312x872 228839 bytes)
>
> To keep some list relevance here, attached is a photo by list member Rich
> Campana of the two SJ Groves U33C's on their way to the BN, after being
> picked up by the EL (note its switcher at the right) at Essex Fells. Shot
is
> in Caldwell, NJ on March 15, 1972.
>
> - Paul
>
> - --
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> From Archives_@_Railfan.net
> Message-ID: <001501c54082$f3adb1a0$6c00a8c0_@_paultup>
> In-Reply-To: <BAY102-F380F3D3109BCCF578ABCC8BD340_@_phx.gbl>
> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:46:02 -0400
> From: "Paul R. Tupaczewski" <paultup_@_optonline.net>
> Subject: (erielack) RE: Morristown Bumping Block
>
> NOTE: This message had contained at least one image attachment.
> To view or download the image(s), click on or cut and paste the
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>
> http://www.Railfan.net/lists/listthumb.cgi?erielack-04-13-05
>
> morris_street1952_resize.jpg (image/jpeg, 1200x736 34742 bytes)
> 1910morristown_resize.jpg (image/jpeg, 1200x769 244259 bytes)
>
> Here are Chris' two large attachment. Size should be kept down to less
than
> 300K per file (less, preferably), but the real issue is the FORMAT!!!!
>
> Reiterating: YOU CAN ONLY ATTACH JPG or GIF IMAGES! No TIF, no Word docs
> please!
>
> - Paul
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Christopher Vitz [mailto:cvitz_@_hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:00 AM
> > To: erielack_@_lists.Railfan.net
> > Cc: paultup_@_optonline.net
> > Subject: Morristown Bumping Block
> >
> >
> > A little more info....
> >
> > I have attached several maps of the location through the
> > years and a recent
> > aerial photo,
> >
> > The oldest being 1910 show the freight house and yard at the
> > Morristown
> > Station. It also shows the trolley line in Morris Ave. As
> > you can see the
> > track comes right out to Morris Avenue and 1910 fits with the
> > age of those
> > blocks
> >
> > The second plan shows Morris Avenue in 1952 and shows the
> > freight house
> > still in place but no Lafayette Avenue. This would seem to
> > me to be the
> > same freight house shown on the 1910 plan.
> >
> > The last attachment is a color aerial photo of location taken
> > in 2002. Note
> > the trees and brush in place. I placed an arrow pointing to
> > the block.
> > Those trees were removed last year and new plantings
> > installed. I have
> > driven past this location every work day for the last 9 years and the
> > bumping block has been there all that time, covered by the growth.
> >
> > Bottom line is, it wasn't moved...
> >
> > Paul T., I emailed this to you directly in case it doesn't
> > upload. I wasn't
> > sure if files over one MB will upload automatically.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > --
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> >
> >
> >
>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> From Archives_@_Railfan.net
> Message-ID: <001d01c54083$a6b54c40$6c00a8c0_@_paultup>
> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:51:03 -0400
> From: "Paul R. Tupaczewski" <paultup_@_optonline.net>
> Subject: (erielack) One more SJ Groves EL shot
>
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>
1229_+1227+C374_SJ_Groves_move_-_Essex_Fells_NJ_-_10-9-71_-_Rich_Campana_.jp
g (image/jpeg, 1321x880 299255 bytes)
>
> Once again, from lister Rich Campana. Here's the SJ Groves RS2/RS3 and a
> whole lotta side-dump cars at Essex Fells, being retrieved by EL GP7s 1229
> and 1227 on October 9, 1971. Not sure why the U33C's came out several
months
> later (maybe assisting in ripping up the track?)
>
> - Paul
>
>
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> From Archives_@_Railfan.net
> Message-ID: <b8.707a5348.2f8f25dd_@_aol.com>
> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:48:13 EDT
> From: DLW1155_@_aol.com
> Subject: Re: (erielack) One more SJ Groves EL shot
>
> I'm not sure why everything didn't go out together, either, but the move
with
> the RS2/3 went out with a bang,... literally!!! By the time the equipment
was
> moved off the highway the operators who had run the trains had moved on to
> other constrution sites leaving only a small mechanical staff to prep and
move
> everything. They decided to use the RS2/3 to bring all the dumpcars down
in one
> move and left enough track west of the connection to claer the switch up
the
> roadway and then back down to the M&E's track to hand the train over to us
for
> movement to Essex Fells. Only one problem, the mechanic running the train
did
> not how to use the Automatic Brake Valve!!! He came downgrade using only
the
> Independent Brake and slammed into the bumper at the end of track smashing
in
> the front footboards, steps and breastplate on the engine. I was standing
down
> below the bridge and saw the train go roaring by with the engine brakes
> squealing and wheels sliding. When they hit the bumper the dumpcars jumped
straight
> up in the air and dust flew everywhere. How nothing derailed is beyond me.
> The Grove's welders and mechanics frantically rushed to rebuild the the
wrecked
> parts in Essex Fells Yard as the E-L was on its way to pick up the train.
I
> have never seen such severe damage repaired so quickly in all my years on
the
> railroad.
>
> Someone commented on the Grove's personnel who ran the trains as not
having
> any prior railroad experience. That was not true. The first two Engineers
> chosen were both ex-railroad men. One had been a DL&W Brakeman (list
content
> satified) but I can't recall his name. He had run locomotives a couple of
times when
> an Engineer let him take a crack at it. The other Engineer was named Andy
> Rinko who had been a D&H fireman on steam locomotives but never saw or ran
any of
> their diesels. He had quite a bit throttle time before being furloghed
which
> is why both men wound up in heavy construction work. Andy Rinko reminded
me a
> lot of Andy Barbera of Phoebe Snow fame both in looks and personality. He
even
> wore a white Kromer cap like many of the Lackawanna men did. Later, of
> course, other heavy equipment operators from the Operating Engineers Union
Local 825
> qualified to run the trains. The railroad unions tried to force Groves to
use
> their men but lost out as it was a captive operations not conected to the
> general railroad system. Except for times when equipment moved in or out
the
> connection was severed. This also exempted Groves from ICC regulations
regarding
> inspections and recordkeeping.
>
> One correction on an earlier post of mine. The RS2/3 was a former
Minneapolis
> Transfer RR unit acquired through a broker. I may have photgarphed on my
trip
> on the Empire Builder in the summer of 1969 as I caught several of their
> units during our layover in Minneapolis Union Terminal while the CB&Q E's
were
> being swapped for the GN F's.
>
> Al Holleuffer
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> From Archives_@_Railfan.net
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> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:05:38 EDT
> From: Hyperhumus_@_aol.com
> Subject: Re: (erielack) One more SJ Groves EL shot
>
> I remember showing up after they hit the bumper on route 280. I have a
> picture of the RS3 smashed into the block. Al, I remember you guys taking
the whole
> outfit to Essex Fells that afternoon. Then the Groves crew worked on that
RS3
> all night to get it ready for the EL to pick up on saturday morning. They
were
> just finishing painting the pilot when the EL showed up.
Rich
> Campana
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> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 00:24:56 -0400
> From: donald kern <doubletrack_@_comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: (erielack) Phoebe, on the Metro North
>
> Hey the color reproduction is terrible NKP cars wore a blue slightly
> darker than Cyan and defnatly not Pastel tinted and it was on the roof
> and ends too I have seen a photo of an ex NKP car Years after where
> the paint was badly Oxidised surely not how they appeared in the mid 50s
>
> Philip Martin wrote:
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> >Nice advertisement for the Lackawanna. I wish they had said the train
went
> >to Chicago, though. The thing I liked most about the Phoebe was the
powder
> >blue name boards on the NKP cars in its consist; a beautiful shade of
blue.
> >I guess that makes me a heretic. $175 for ride in Phoebe car, (or any
> >other car:) I'm too cheap for that.
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> >Philip
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