Re: (erielack) Erie Shin Hollow bridge (2)

["Rich Behrendt" <rbehrendt_@_columbus.rr.com>]

To follow upon Rick's comments, there are about 12-15 of these types of iron 
truss/wood plank bridges in OH, most of which are still owned by the CSX 
(either on the ex-B&O main, or on the C&O in southern OH) when they needed 
to build lines through an area that already had a road in place that needed 
to be maintained (vs. being rerouted or eliminated) back in the late 1800's.

To clarify, most likely the owner of the bridge was the RR, but maintenance 
of the roadway deck was probably by the County or Township (at least that's 
how it is here in OH).

Built back when the horse and carriage (or later when Model T's became the 
standard) were the preferred modes of transportation, these bridges were 
designed to easily carry those loads.  100+ years later, a few remain in 
service, but are a maintenance nightmare for the RR's (if they do maintain 
them) and all are structural deficient, all with posted load limits.   My 
office at ODOT is assisting these communiities in working w/CSX to replace 
them (CSX is replacing all on the ex-B&O main (including the 5th St. span in 
Niles that Rick refers that is scheduled for replacement, but was destroyed 
after a derailment there about a year ago) as part of the double-slack 
clearnace project (aka the National Gateway program) w/ownership and 
maintenance then turned over to jurisdictional County or Township).

The Shin Hollow bridge is very similiar in design to the few that are 
remaining here in OH, but like the ones here, has exceeded its' useful 
service life, and within a few years most likely will be gone...

Rich Behrendt
ELHS #384





- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <RJFlei_@_aol.com>
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Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: (erielack) Erie Shin Hollow bridge


>
> Lance,
>
> This bridge seems pretty much typical of old bridges crossing a RR. They
> were, for the most part, pretty spidery and probably date back to the 
> early
> 1900's. The B&O had several like this in our area. If fact, one just got
> wiped out by a CSX derailment in Niles, Oh. a while back. The bridge was
> actually owned by CSX and they will build a new bridge.
>
> Rick Fleischer
> Cortland, Oh.
>
>
> In a message dated 2/25/2012 7:07:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> intercityrailpal_@_netscape.net writes:
>
> Doesn't  this look like a old turntable bridge? Talk about a bridge to
> nowhere. I  wonder what the Erie-Lackawanna paid in taxes on this? I would 
> guess
> it was  built and&nbsp;maintained by them. There are some groups trying to
> replace  their turntables. I do hope someone sees this and makes a offer. 
> I
> can't help  myself, but when I look at the Erie main or where it was. I 
> see
> Chicago, not  Port Jervis at the end of it. Next time I'm on the train 
> here.
> I hope I'm in  position to see it.  Lackawanna Lance
>
> -----Original  Message-----
>
> From: toddsyr <toddsyr_@_twcny.rr.com>
>
> To:  Walter Conklin <walterjconkliniv_@_yahoo.com>; EL Mail List
> <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
>
> Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2012 5:39  pm
>
> Subject: Re: (erielack) Erie Shin Hollow bridge
>
> This video  should help with detailing the top side of  it:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v6i-Hh0u5M
>
> Todd K.  Stearns
>
> ----- Original Message -----From: "Walter Conklin"
> <walterjconkliniv_@_yahoo.com>
> To: "EL Mail List"  <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 6:14  PM
> Subject: (erielack) Erie Shin Hollow bridge
>
>>
>>  Hello,
>>
>> My friend is working on a model of the Shin Hollow  bridge. Does anyone>
> recall if the Shin Hollow bridge was of timber  construction, steel plate>
> girder etc?  Morever, if anyone has an  image of the bridge and would be>
> willing to send it to me, that could be  helpful to my friend.
>>
>> Thank you for your time and  help.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Walter  Conklin
>>
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