RE: (rshsdepot) Maywood, NJ

["Jim Guthrie" <jguthrie_@_pipeline.com>]

Don,

The instruction was in the tariff book that Train Crews carried.

Cheers,
Jim


> -----Original Message-----
> From: rshsdepot-owner_@_lists.railfan.net
> [mailto:rshsdepot-owner_@_lists.railfan.net]On Behalf Of Don Dorflinger
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 6:55 PM
> To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net
> Subject: RE: (rshsdepot) Maywood, NJ
>
>
>
> Remember Jim, the answer was speculative in view of the
> reporter's ignorant use of "Hoboken" as destination for NYS&W Trains.
> E-L Employee and Public Timetables (Form 9) from 1960-1966 do
> show Trains 1202/1203 with a scheduled stop at the Transfer
> weekdays. There are no notes in any timetable placing any
> restrictions on the stop. E-L employees might have been given
> "side orders" to make the boarding/detraining difficult, which
> was S.O.P. when the railroad wanted to dump a station, or service
> on a line, and it was no secret by the 1960's that the NRR would
> go as soon as the PUC gave the E-L the option to pull the plug.
> Unfortunately for the E-L, in this case, the stop at the Transfer
> lasted until at least the Spring of 1966. I didn't have time to
> search for the last E-L with NRR service to see if it outlasted
> the NYS&W passenger trains until the end of E-L service in October, 1966.
> The implementation of the Northern Branch back-up move in 1960
> would probably have had as much, if not more of a negative effect
> on the commuters as the abandonment of NYS&W service to Jersey
> City, as it now took nearly 20 minutes to navigate the last 4.9
> miles of track from Susquehanna Transfer to Hoboken. With an
> extra 13 minutes to play with, it was probably easier to drive
> over to a station on the NJ&NY Branch (which ran directly to
> Hoboken without the time consuming double reversal of direction
> at Croxton Tower and Bergen Jct. on the inbound and outbound
> Northern Trains), or take the subway downtown. A real shame too,
> as the line could probably been carrying a pretty good commuter
> load today, had the E-L wished to spend the money to install a
> more direct connection across the lower end of Croxton Yard.
> Don
>
> >
> > > From: rshsdepot-owner_@_lists.railfan.net
> > >
> > > Here's a thought: Hoboken-bound passengers on the NYS&W from
> > > Maywood could detrain at Susquehanna Transfer and pick up a
> > > Northern Branch E-L Train to Hoboken (at least after the Croxton
> > > "Back up Move" was created for NRR trains in the early 1960's).
> > > E-L Employee timetables of the era do show a stop at Susquehanna
> > > Transfer for one train. The only advantage would have been to
> > > downtown commuters. For uptown commuters it would have been
> > > senseless, since buses from the Transfer went to the PA at 42nd St.
> >
> >Huh?
> >
> >Susquehanna Transfer was ****never**** a stop where passengers could
> >transfer. In fact, Erie, and later E-L crews were specifically
> instructed
> >NOT to let passengers board at the Transfer. In later years,
> passengers had
> >to purchase a ticket **at the depot** and make it clear to the
> conductor on
> >the Hoboken-bound train that they wanted to make the Motor Coach
> Connection
> >for the train to even slow down at the Transfer, let alone stop to let
> >someone on.
> >
> >Going toward Nyack and Sparkill was even tougher -- the Northern trains
> >**might** slow down if they saw someone waiting to board, but if
> they didn't
> >see you, you were out of luck.
> >
> >The Transfer also had no "local" tariffs -- all tickets were
> through tickets
> >to and from the Times Square Station, and later Port Authority
> Bus Terminal.
> >
> >Believe me, if the connection had been possible, the number of daily
> >passengers on the NYS&W would not have dropped from 1400 to 200 the day
> >trains ceased running to Jersey City.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Jim Guthrie (who used to spend alot of time hanging around the Transfer)
> >
> >
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