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Re: (erielack) Well, Well, Well!
Well since the list owner has saw fit not to intervine and stop this thread
and since it has been requested to move it to an appropate list several
times you leave me no choice but to unscribe.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Paul R. Tupaczewski
To: 'Pete Scheckermann' ; 'William Shultz' ; 'Benton Bartlett'
Cc: erielack_@_lists.railfan.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 8:15 PM
Subject: RE: (erielack) Well, Well, Well!
Wow, I'm gone for 6 hours and all heck breaks loose!
Let's tone down the personal stuff, folks. I know that a lot of people are
quite empassioned about this topic, but let's not let it get out of hand! We
are civilized here! (or so I hope! :)
- - Paul
> -----Original Message-----
> From: erielack-owner_@_lists.railfan.net
> [mailto:erielack-owner_@_lists.railfan.net] On Behalf Of Pete
> Scheckermann
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 6:14 PM
> To: William Shultz; Benton Bartlett
> Cc: erielack_@_lists.railfan.net
> Subject: Re: (erielack) Well, Well, Well!
>
>
> This has degenerated into personal attacks and it is time for
> the list
> moderator to intervene!
>
> Pete S
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Shultz" <wshultz1_@_twcny.rr.com>
> To: "Benton Bartlett" <b3j2c_@_citcom.net>
> Cc: <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 5:22 PM
> Subject: Re: (erielack) Well, Well, Well!
>
>
> > Ben,
> >
> > I will certainly post this as you wish to the Elections
> Forum. It's a
> > shame people are so reluctant to participate actively and
> instead leaving
> > any discussion or debate to this list. I am especially
> disappointed since
> > several of the Board members joined the forum, yet have as
> here, remained
> > mute. So much for espousing the Board is so open and
> approachable...when
> > it suits them I suppose. Oh, but wait...they are too busy.
> >
> > I feel you adequately summed up my feelings after reading
> this, I have
> > let
> > Mr. Larrabee know in no uncertain terms how I felt about
> it. On one level,
> > it was a very personal disappointment. I don't know if it
> was stupidity,
> > arrogance or both, but it is an embarrassment to all ELHS
> subscribers.
> >
> > I will follow your excellent suggestion, one more year and
> if nothing
> > changes, I will exercise the only vote I have. Some people
> who just want
> > to believe that all is well with the ELHS will applaud this
> I am sure,
> > that is for them to sort out. I was raised to speak up when
> I witness
> > something wrong, I value that teaching greatly and am not
> sorry for my
> > participation in trying to bring democracy and progress to
> the ELHS. There
> > comes a point though when others have to take a stand and
> not stand idly
> > by. The time is now for every "member" of the ELHS has to
> make a choice
> > for themselves. I've made mine.
> >
> > You might find it strange, but even though we disagree, I appreciate
> > members that have express their support for leaving things
> as they are. At
> > least they were willing to take a public position. For that
> they have my
> > respect.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Will Shultz
> >
> > Benton Bartlett wrote:
> >
> >>Let me open this note with a statement that the whole ELHS
> management
> >>discussion including this note belongs on a different
> forum. I request
> >>the Mr. Schultz insures that this note gets to the
> EL-Elections forum
> >>in the appropriate place. Let me start with a little background. I
> >>joined the ERIE Railfan Society in
> >>1974 and have been a member continuously. Randy - my # is
> 250 which makes
> >>me an old ERIE 0-8-0 yard goat. I have remained quiet like
> most members
> >>have to this point, but can no longer remain so. My primary
> interest is
> >>modeling ERIE, with accurate history being an important
> factor in my
> >>modeling.
> >> This note will eventually become personal in case anyone
> wants to delete
> >> at
> >>this point.
> >>
> >>I have read some very lucid comments from the keyboards of Shawn
> >>Karney, Rick Sedlisky, Rich Tubbs and many more. Two nights ago I
> >>still equated the situation as the Indians (members) trying
> to decide
> >>if there should be a war. The Army (Board of Directors) had
> decided to
> >>circle the wagons and wait it out. Rick closed his note with the
> >>recommendation to have some sort of group to diffuse the situation.
> >>
> >>But now we are informed of a position that our beloved
> >>President/Chairman (General Custer perhaps) has taken with another
> >>society. I now read that he has taken the liberty to discuss and
> >>declare a conclusion based on incomplete analysis of the
> ELHS member
> >>survey. Further more to my knowledge these results were not shared
> >>with the Great Unwashed Members of the ELHS. This may not be a
> >>violation of the By-Laws, but certainly it appears to violate the
> >>ethics of such a society. Mr. Chairman your pointed sarcasm about
> >>whether the current BOD would be re-elected was uncalled for,
> >>particularly to a third party. Additionally I would say
> your timing
> >>was poor at best, if not arrogant. It is time for renewal
> notices to
> >>come out, you know. When I started to put this note together, I was
> >>curious how you would rationlize elected vs. self perpetuating
> >>officers - I no longer care. I was
> >>interested in how other societies prospered or failed - I
> no longer care.
> >>I intend to renew for one more year to see how the Board of
> Directors
> >>handles this situation. I beleive the Chairman has created
> an embarrassing
> >>situation for them.
> >>Along with self-perpatuating goes self-disciplinig. It will
> be interesting
> >>to see what the membership numbers look like by Feb. 2006.
> >>Schuyler if I misspelled, my apologies. If I have used poor
> grammar I
> >>apologize. If I have improperly interperted your note to
> the R&LHS please
> >>let the Great Unwashed know. Beyond that I do not care to hear your
> >>sarcasm.
> >>I have written this note in public because I beleive your
> actions affect
> >>all members that participated in last falls ELHS survey,
> not just me.
> >>
> >>Benton Bartlett
> >>ELHS #250
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
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