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RE: (erielack) Well, Well, Well!
Wow, I'm gone for 6 hours and all heck breaks loose!
Let's tone down the personal stuff, folks. I know that a lot of people are
quite empassioned about this topic, but let's not let it get out of hand! We
are civilized here! (or so I hope! :)
- Paul
> -----Original Message-----
> From: erielack-owner_@_lists.railfan.net
> [mailto:erielack-owner_@_lists.railfan.net] On Behalf Of Pete
> Scheckermann
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 6:14 PM
> To: William Shultz; Benton Bartlett
> Cc: erielack_@_lists.railfan.net
> Subject: Re: (erielack) Well, Well, Well!
>
>
> This has degenerated into personal attacks and it is time for
> the list
> moderator to intervene!
>
> Pete S
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Shultz" <wshultz1_@_twcny.rr.com>
> To: "Benton Bartlett" <b3j2c_@_citcom.net>
> Cc: <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 5:22 PM
> Subject: Re: (erielack) Well, Well, Well!
>
>
> > Ben,
> >
> > I will certainly post this as you wish to the Elections
> Forum. It's a
> > shame people are so reluctant to participate actively and
> instead leaving
> > any discussion or debate to this list. I am especially
> disappointed since
> > several of the Board members joined the forum, yet have as
> here, remained
> > mute. So much for espousing the Board is so open and
> approachable...when
> > it suits them I suppose. Oh, but wait...they are too busy.
> >
> > I feel you adequately summed up my feelings after reading
> this, I have
> > let
> > Mr. Larrabee know in no uncertain terms how I felt about
> it. On one level,
> > it was a very personal disappointment. I don't know if it
> was stupidity,
> > arrogance or both, but it is an embarrassment to all ELHS
> subscribers.
> >
> > I will follow your excellent suggestion, one more year and
> if nothing
> > changes, I will exercise the only vote I have. Some people
> who just want
> > to believe that all is well with the ELHS will applaud this
> I am sure,
> > that is for them to sort out. I was raised to speak up when
> I witness
> > something wrong, I value that teaching greatly and am not
> sorry for my
> > participation in trying to bring democracy and progress to
> the ELHS. There
> > comes a point though when others have to take a stand and
> not stand idly
> > by. The time is now for every "member" of the ELHS has to
> make a choice
> > for themselves. I've made mine.
> >
> > You might find it strange, but even though we disagree, I appreciate
> > members that have express their support for leaving things
> as they are. At
> > least they were willing to take a public position. For that
> they have my
> > respect.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Will Shultz
> >
> > Benton Bartlett wrote:
> >
> >>Let me open this note with a statement that the whole ELHS
> management
> >>discussion including this note belongs on a different
> forum. I request
> >>the Mr. Schultz insures that this note gets to the
> EL-Elections forum
> >>in the appropriate place. Let me start with a little background. I
> >>joined the ERIE Railfan Society in
> >>1974 and have been a member continuously. Randy - my # is
> 250 which makes
> >>me an old ERIE 0-8-0 yard goat. I have remained quiet like
> most members
> >>have to this point, but can no longer remain so. My primary
> interest is
> >>modeling ERIE, with accurate history being an important
> factor in my
> >>modeling.
> >> This note will eventually become personal in case anyone
> wants to delete
> >> at
> >>this point.
> >>
> >>I have read some very lucid comments from the keyboards of Shawn
> >>Karney, Rick Sedlisky, Rich Tubbs and many more. Two nights ago I
> >>still equated the situation as the Indians (members) trying
> to decide
> >>if there should be a war. The Army (Board of Directors) had
> decided to
> >>circle the wagons and wait it out. Rick closed his note with the
> >>recommendation to have some sort of group to diffuse the situation.
> >>
> >>But now we are informed of a position that our beloved
> >>President/Chairman (General Custer perhaps) has taken with another
> >>society. I now read that he has taken the liberty to discuss and
> >>declare a conclusion based on incomplete analysis of the
> ELHS member
> >>survey. Further more to my knowledge these results were not shared
> >>with the Great Unwashed Members of the ELHS. This may not be a
> >>violation of the By-Laws, but certainly it appears to violate the
> >>ethics of such a society. Mr. Chairman your pointed sarcasm about
> >>whether the current BOD would be re-elected was uncalled for,
> >>particularly to a third party. Additionally I would say
> your timing
> >>was poor at best, if not arrogant. It is time for renewal
> notices to
> >>come out, you know. When I started to put this note together, I was
> >>curious how you would rationlize elected vs. self perpetuating
> >>officers - I no longer care. I was
> >>interested in how other societies prospered or failed - I
> no longer care.
> >>I intend to renew for one more year to see how the Board of
> Directors
> >>handles this situation. I beleive the Chairman has created
> an embarrassing
> >>situation for them.
> >>Along with self-perpatuating goes self-disciplinig. It will
> be interesting
> >>to see what the membership numbers look like by Feb. 2006.
> >>Schuyler if I misspelled, my apologies. If I have used poor
> grammar I
> >>apologize. If I have improperly interperted your note to
> the R&LHS please
> >>let the Great Unwashed know. Beyond that I do not care to hear your
> >>sarcasm.
> >>I have written this note in public because I beleive your
> actions affect
> >>all members that participated in last falls ELHS survey,
> not just me.
> >>
> >>Benton Bartlett
> >>ELHS #250
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
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