Re: (erielack) Phoebe, on the Metro North

[donald kern <doubletrack_@_comcast.net>]

In adition to its Through Pullman  the Lackawanna LTD/Pheobe Snow #3
Carried a through Coach to chicago... However  there is no resiprocal 
 Coach via #10 listed
in the Condensed Equiptment of trains pages

Michael Connor wrote:

> Phillip - The other point in reference the Phoebe Snows (#3 and 6) was 
> that there were designed, marketed, and operated as premier daylight 
> train between Buffalo and intermediate points.  The December 1954 
> schedules, for example, show WB #3 lv Hobo 1035 AM arr Bflo 650 PM.  
> EB #6 lv Bflo 1015 AM arr Hobo 630 PM.  Allow 20 or 25 minutes for the 
> Ferry to/from Barclay Street, etc.
> The NYC scheduled its #51, the Empire State Express, to leave NYC 
> (GCT) 900 AM arrr Bflo 450PM.
> Eastbound NYC 90, the Chicagoan, left Bflo 1010 AM (though this was 
> dependent on its arrival from Chicago @ 950 AM -- the late trains of 
> today's era were not tolerated in the past) arr NYC (GCT) 640 PM.  NYC 
> 96, the Advance Empire State Express, originated at andleft Bflo 1150 
> AM arr NYC (GCT) 835 PM.  The DL&W and NYC running times were  
> comparable.
>       The Erie had discontinued passenger service to Buffalo in 1951.
>       In 1954 the LV scheduled 3 trains daily each way between Bflo 
> and NYC (Penn Station). Eastbound  LV #10 lv Bflo 1040AM arr NYC 
> (Penn) 830 PM, LV 4 lv Bflo 845 PM arr NYC (P) 755 AM, #8 Lv Bflo 1130 
> PM arr NYC (P) 900 AM.  Westbound #9 Lv NYC(P) 1055 AM arr Bflo 840 P, 
> LV #7 Lv NYC (P) 810 P arr Bflo 535 AM, LV #11 lv NYC (P) 1150 P arr 
> Bflo 1045 AM.
>        The DL&W, BTW, scheduled  EB #'s 2,6,8, and 10to leave  Bflo 
> 420 AM*, 1015 AM, 1100 PM, and 530 PM Daily [#4 operated Sunday in 
> place of #2 leave Bflo 430 AM arr Hobo 240 P) and arrive Hobo at 120 
> PM, 630 PM, 730 AM, and 530 AM.  Westbound #3, 5, 7, and 15 lv Hobo 
> 1035 AM, 450 PM*, 820 PM, and 1255 AM (*# 25 operated in place of #5 
> lv Hobo 450 PM,arr Bflo 1128 PM) and arriving Bflo 650 PM, 205 AM, 450 
> AM, and 1235 PM.
>         As to through cars #3 carried (car #30) a Hobo-Chgo sleeper 
> which was forwarded on NKP 5.
> #5 carried a Hobo-Detroit sleeper (car 50) which was forwarded on NYC 
> 47-375.  #7 carried a Hobo-Chgo sleeper (car #70) and a Hobo-Chgo 
> reclining seat coach, both of which were forwarded on NKP 7 from Buffalo.
>         Eastbound #2 carried a Detroit-Hoboken sleeper(car 440) from 
> NYC #44.  #8 carried a Chicago-Hoboken sleeper (Car 80) and a 
> Chgo-Hobo recling seat coach, both from NKP #8.  #10 carried Chgo-NY 
> sleeper (car 60) from NKP 6.
>        I remember the DL&W as a really first-classthrough line 
> intercity  passenger operation and think the above schedules from the 
> diesel-era show what could be done before the impact of the Federal 
> war on passenger railroading entered the end game.
> M J Connor
>
>
>> From: "Philip Martin" <martinpl3_@_earthlink.net>
>> Reply-To: "Philip Martin" <martinpl3_@_earthlink.net>
>> To: erielack_@_lists.railfan.net
>> Subject: Re:(erielack) Phoebe, on the Metro North
>> Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 18:30:49 -0400
>>
>> I'm surprised that the Lackawanna's premier train, Phoebe, didn't go all
>> the way to the windy city.  That would be like terminating the Silver
>> Meteor at Richmond, because the SAL didn't own the rails from there 
>> to New
>> York.
>> I'm getting my rail fan education improved on this list.
>> Philip Martin
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Phoebe and her lounges went to Buffalo.
>> >
>> > Randy Brown
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