(erielack) Marine equipment-previously Wine Cars

[tonyhorn_@_earthlink.net]

Will:

Some of us have a strong interest in the NYC marine operations.  Your description of the different types of equipment is helpful.

We have been looking for models and/or plans.  Two of us (SCL and myself) have located plans for an Erie ferry (+pictures) at the Hagley Museum and Library in Wilmington, DE.  Prior to leaving on a holiday trip from which I have just returned, I was on the net looking for information.

I found that Frenchman River Models has some new marine railroad in production or planned and wondered if they might be close to anything the Erie (EL) used.  One is a 2 Track Covered Station Float.  (Check it out at www.frenchmanriver.com/Frenchman%River/2track.htm)  They are also listing a 3 Track Car Float, Float Bridge, and Stick Lighter as future models, but no pictures to see what they might be.

Do you know if the Walthers RR barges and float bridge are close to anything that might be used to represent Erie/EL on model railroads?

Of course, for accuracy, there is the Overland brass model of the tug, Marion, if you can find and afford one.

An interesting site I found on prototype information is at www.worldshippingny.com/elferry.html

Another is at http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collid=pphhphoto&fileName=nj/nj0000/nj0057/photos/browse.db&action=browse&;

Tony Horn
ELHS #2

- -----Original Message-----
>From: William Shultz <wshultz1_@_twcny.rr.com>
>Sent: Jan 2, 2006 5:58 AM
>To: Paul Brezicki <doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net>
>Cc: EL Mailing List <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
>Subject: Re: (erielack) Wine Cars
>
>Paul,
>
>A lighter, isn't a barge or a car float or a scow. Lighters could be 
>open deck or enclosed, powered or un-powered. One of the characteristics 
>which makes a lighter a lighter, is having its own crane or boom for 
>loading and unloading cargo. Barges, which could be open, enclosed, 
>powered or un-powered, didn't have cranes and relied on the dock or ship 
>cranes to do the lifting should it be needed.
>
>Car floats have tracks, lighters, barges and scows don't. Car floats 
>also come in variations; regular and station floats. Station floats were 
>the ones with the center, covered walkways used for unloading across the 
>cars. Very convenient when unloading at a freight house located on a 
>pier. Station floats could of course be used for "floating" cars to the 
>various rail terminals or ship-side, but that was the primarily the 
>domain of the three track car floats. Did I mention the station floats 
>had only two tracks?
>
>At least the above applies to the Lackawanna and its contribution of 
>marine equipment to the EL.
>
>Regards,
>
>Will Shultz
>
>
>Paul Brezicki wrote:
>> Interesting web page. The overall impression is that the NY Harbor rail
>> traffic was quite complex. EL must have lost a lot of money floating a
>> single wine car up to BTM. The intro refers to railcars being transferred by
>> "lighters"; I don't think this term includes carfloats, but refers to barges
>> (usually covered) that transfer freight. In other words, a carfloat is not a
>> lighter, correct?
>> 
>> Paul B
>> 
>
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