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Re: Re:(erielack) Re: NYS&W
Actually the former CB&Q car wasn't a California Zephyr car, Silver View was built for the 'Twin Zephyr' ....I did get to ride in the car in 1998 on a round trip excursion over the Syracuse & Utica branches (ah, THERE'S the EL content).
Rob Piecuch
dlw1155_@_verizon.net wrote:
The Budd-built round end dome obs is one from the California Zephyr fleet and was sold a few years ago as mentioned. It is an all stainless steel car while the "Popemobile" is a painted carbon steel car of Union Pacific heritage as noted by others. The obs end had the current large picture window installed by the D-O Corporation replacing two small end windows and a door with a window. Rivarossi offers this car in its original configuration in HO scale but only as part of a set of UP cars. Last time I saw one of their ads it was not available seperately.
Al Holleuffer
From: Janet & Randy Brown
Date: 2007/09/25 Tue PM 07:01:48 CDT
To: erielack_@_lists.elhts.org
Subject: Re:(erielack) Re: NYS&W
The Budd-built round-end COACH or PARLOR /dome/ lounge/ observation is definitely
1: ex-CB&Q
and
2: NOT the "Popemobile."
I have ridden in both cars -- there are two -- and they are distinctive; there is no confusing one for the other.
Randy Brown
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I'm referring to a stainless steel streamlined round-tail observation car with a short vista dome on the top, not the full length ex-Auto Train dome cars. In fact I think this car is the one referred to as the "popemobile". So far as I know, and the new releases from Walthers agree with me, those cars were originally Great Northern (or Santa Fe), not CB&Q. I was in that dome-obs car a few years ago when a triangle trip was run - bus to Utica and train Utica-Chenango Forks-Syracuse.
I don't have a firm source for any of the ownership details, just being in the Syracuse area and knowing various CNY Chapter members, I'm repeating what they've said to me. Most of them did know Mr. Rich personally, so I have no reason to doubt what they say - but I can see where by the time it gets to be 3rd or 4th hand someone might question it.
Bill K.
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