RE: (erielack) NJ/PA - Environmental Assessment for Lackawanna Cutoff now ava...

[ERIE LACKAWANNA <erie_lackawanna_@_yahoo.com>]

But that is what buses are for. Ex-Trolley companies including Public Service abandoned them fast as buses which used public highways and streets made their way. Used no electricity, did not need to maintain highways and streets, and supported Good Year Rubber and Standard Oil who also provide products for the cars we all use today. Buses were also able to operate on Extra Board on "Charter's" the electric vehicles were unable to do. 
 
Jerome

- --- On Fri, 6/19/09, Gregory Botvinik <botvinesq_@_optonline.net> wrote:


From: Gregory Botvinik <botvinesq_@_optonline.net>
Subject: RE: (erielack) NJ/PA - Environmental Assessment for Lackawanna Cutoff now ava...
To: erielack_@_lists.railfan.net
Date: Friday, June 19, 2009, 7:48 PM


Such systems work well and should be used in areas where cars have trouble,
namely high population-density areas (cities and suburbs) with choked
highways like Dallas-Fort Worth.  But they shouldn't be going where there is
little ridership potential rural areas and ex-urbs.  Light rail should be a
supplement to urban transit systems - not a total replacement.


Greg Botvinik
Highland Park, NJ
botvinesq_@_optonline.net


- -----Original Message-----
From: Wahlstrom, Allen R CIV NAS Corpus Christi, N92
[mailto:allen.wahlstrom_@_navy.mil] 
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 6:20 PM
To: EL Mail List
Subject: RE: (erielack) NJ/PA - Environmental Assessment for Lackawanna
Cutoff now ava...

Ahh that.

So the auto industrial complex pretty much put the streetcar lines out of
business in a hostile takeover that took away that option. Leaving much more
expensive commuter rail to fill in the gap. 

If commuter rail was modernized, efficient, and available to more than a few
of our larger cities we would have a larger percentage using them. Look at
Dallas/Ft. Worth and the gains both DART light rail and TRE heavy rail
ridership has soared in the 13 years since the first light rail line opened.
This is a car culture city and light rail is growing at an enormous rate.
From nothing in 1996 to: DART light-rail ridership totaled 19.4 million
(about 60,000 trips a day), up 8.6 percent, and TRE ridership totaled 2.7
million, up 10.9 percent compared with FY2007's totals.

Dallas and Ft Worth have major growth plans for both TRE and light rail in
both cities. 



- -----Original Message-----
From: J. Henry Priebe Jr. [mailto:root_@_bluemoon.net]
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 16:00
To: Jim Guthrie; EL Mail List
Subject: Re: (erielack) NJ/PA - Environmental Assessment for Lackawanna
Cutoff now ava...

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009, Jim Guthrie wrote:

> Henry writes:
> 
> >I have never been a big fan of train rider welfare.
> 
> Highway engineers figure the subsidy from general taxation for motorists
runs around 44-46%; rail advocates figure it at 56-60%; the strong
libertarian anti-gummint, anti-tax folk figure it at 88%.
> 
> What makes automobile drivers so special that they receive substatial
subsidies, but you think rail riders don't?
> 

The percentage of people who drive.


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