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RE: (erielack) Three bay PS2 covered hoppers
"I think the answer Schuyler was looking for in the post-merger years is the soda ash service you
mentioned, and this continued into Conrail for some cars."
Uh, well, no. I was looking for the answer to what the ERIE used them for when they were newly
acquired. And I was (and am) only looking for the answer for the Greenville PS-2 knockoffs, not two
bay cars. I fully recognize that the two bay cars could handle more dense materials.
Now, does anyone have the answer I actually AM looking for?
SGL
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Brezicki [mailto:doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 6:58 AM
> To: EL Mailing List; Paul Tupaczewski; Schuyler Larrabee
> Subject: RE: (erielack) Three bay PS2 covered hoppers
>
> While the cars no doubt hauled sand at times, this is not what they were
> designed for, since this dense commodity underutilized their 2893 cu'
> capacity. Erie had 250 70-ton 2-bays that were better suited for sand
> service with cubes under 2000. The two series of 2-bays acquired by EL had
> cubes in the same range as the 21800's and were designed for dense
> commodities including sand, but they were 100-ton cars. However, as a
> general service CH design, the Greenvilles were suitable for hauling sand
> when dictated by service needs and equipment availability. I think the
> answer Schuyler was looking for in the post-merger years is the soda ash
> service you mentioned, and this continued into Conrail for some cars.
>
> Paul B
>
>
> From: "Paul R. Tupaczewski" <paultup_@_comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: (erielack) Three bay PS2 covered hoppers
>
> > Schuyler,
> >
> > According to my data, Erie did not acquire PS-2's, so I'm
> > unclear as to what cars you're referring to. It did acquire
> > 100 3-bays from Greenville
> > (21800-21899) that appear to have been built to PS-2 design
> > specs.
>
> I believe he's referring to these cars, as Athearn has released their 3-bay
> PS-2 in EL and Erie. They are almost identical with the exception of the
> rooftop hatch spacing (something, that Jim Harr showed in his "From the
> Workbench" column, is fairly easily rectified)
>
> > These were 70-ton cars used for intermediate density
> > commodities such as salt, soda ash and fertilizer, and AFAIK
> > remained in this type of service throughout their service
> > life.
>
> When built for the Erie, they were classified as "dry bulk" cars and were
> used primarily in sand and chemical service (I have several photos of these
> cars at sand pits, an dripping white powder from their hatches)
>
> After the EL merger, many of these were reallocated to support the former
> DL&W's burgeoning Solvay soda ash traffic, but to the best of my knowledge
> never were in service under Erie ownership.
>
> I have personal experience seeing these cars in caustic chemical service in
> EL years, as they would frequently appear at Drew Chemical in Boonton.
>
> - Paul
>
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