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(erielack) RE: Lehigh Steam Movement, Syracuse Branch 1936
- Subject: (erielack) RE: Lehigh Steam Movement, Syracuse Branch 1936
- From: "Joshua" <mail_@_joshuakblay.com>
- Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:54:46 -0400
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Here's the complete story, possibly a PRR engine as well? Still don't know
the reason...
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June 11, 1936
11181:
13711:
Mr. J. N. Haines,
General Manager,
L. V. RR. Bethlehem, Pa.
Dear Sir:
Acknowledge yours June 5, file 345.1 concerning your bill No. 55629
dated April 20, amount $1747.05, which includes a charge of $240.00 for
service of your engine 2093 on return movement from Syracuse to Binghamton
after handling your No. 9 over that territory.
As I advised your office by telephone, I feel that a vary reasonable
allowance for the use of this engine, which was coupled into train with
another engine manned by a D L & W engine crew, would be 20 miles under the
Detour Agreement rate of $3.00 per miles, this being the distance of the
helper zone.
On telephone authority from your office I have therefore, reduced
your bill accordingly and authorized voucher for $1567.05.
Yours truly,
2-G
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June 5, 1936
345.1
Mr. E. B. Moffatt,
General Superintendent,
D L & W RR,
Scranton, Pa
Dear Sir:
Your letter May 25th, addressed to the Accounting Department at
Philadelphia, concerning our bill No. 65629, dated April 20th, has been
referred to me.
In connection with the service rendered by LV engine 2093 between
Syracuse and Binghamton, I am enclosing copy of a statement indicates that
the engine was in full service for the entire 80 miles.
In the light of this additional information will you please give the
matter of honoring our bill, as rendered, further consideration advising?
Yours truly,
G . W. H.
General Manager
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Lehigh Valley Railroad Company
Coxton, Pa., June 3, 1936
Statement of Engineer Luke Murphy in connection with movements of Engine
2093, on the D L & W R. R., from Syracuse to Binghamton, N. Y., March 18,
1936.
Q. Tell what movements you were required to make ont he D L & W R. R.
from Syracuse to Binghamton on March 18, 1936?
A. I had Engine 2093 on out Train No. 9, which was detoured on the D L &
W from Pittston Jct. o Syracise, arriving there at 2:10 Am, March
18th, and leaving there at 6:00 Pm that night; leaving Syracuse
engine 2093 was coupled on the head end of a PRR engine and caboose, and
we went light for about 4 or 5 miles out of Syracuse, then we picked up
a train of rip rap and the two engines were on the head end of the
train, my engine, the 2093 was on the direct head end of the train, and
was handling the train, and it was necessary to use steam on my engines
right into Binghamton where we yarded the train. It was a very heavy
train, and there were times at various points where the train wa difficult
to handle and it was necessary to have the two engines.
Q. Was Engines 2093 on the head end of the other engines and controlling
the train?
A. Yes, and we yarded the train at Binghamton.
Q. In your opinion, were the two engines necessary to handle the train
from Syracuse to Binghamton, or were they only necessary for a distance
of 13 miles on the grade.
A. The two engines were necessary on the grade, and there were other
points that we had to use the two engines to move the train; in fact,
the LV engine handled the train from the time of pickup until we
delivered into the yard at Binghamton.
I have read the above statement and find the same to be correct.
Luke Murphy
JAM
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11181:
13711:
Accounting Department,
Lehigh Valley Railroad,
Philadelphia, Pa.
Gentlemen:
Referring to your bill No. 50659 dated April 30, amount
$1,747.00,expense for detouring our trains month of March 1936.
I note we are charged $240.00 account using your engine No. 2093
Syracuse to Binghamton on March 10, after having handled your train No. 9
over our tracks from Wilkes-Barre to Syracuse.
The facts in connection with this case are- on arrival at Syracuse
your train was turned over to the NYC without engine as the NYC handle all
detour trains with heir onn power. This made it necessary to return the
engine to Binghamton where we delivered it to the Erie for return movement
to your relic at Waverly. To avoid pilot expense we occupied the engine in
to a freight train. For a distance of 13 miles from Jamesville to Apulin,
just out of Syracuse, the train in which the engine was coupled had tornage
in excess of a one engine train and our people undoubtedly took advantage
of your engine train and our people to assist over grade. Over the
territory one engine could have handled the train. Had your engine not been
coupled in to the train, we would have used a help trip of a helper engine
for 13 miles. It is certain that we did not receive service by reason of
using your engine while en route from Syracuse to Binghamton to the value
of $240.00. We would reasonably compensate you that it would have cost us
to provide a helper for thin train or approximately one-half day's engine
service and we generally get two trips out of these helper engines
In the meantime if you are agreeable to our eliminating the $240.00
from your bill, I shall be glad to arrange for prompt voucher of the
balance, pending an agreement on the one item in question.
2-h
Cc: to V. D. T.
F. C.
H. J. M.
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106
May 21, 1936
12711:
11181:
Mr. Frank Cisek
I attach bill of the Lehigh Valley dated April 30, amount $1747.05
for detouring our trains during the high water in March 1936.
On Sheet 3 of detail we are charged $240.00 for use of LV engine 2093
Syracuse to Binghamton account handling train of stone from Jamesville
after having handled one of their trains from Pittston Junction to
Syracuse.
What are the circumstances in connection with the use of this engine
and do you know of any argument we can advance against laying the LV RR for
use of the engine. I note bill is based on detour rate of $3.00 per mile.
This is apparently $3.00 per mile which is the rate charged by home company
for use of an engine in detouring a foreign company's train over home
company's tracks. In as much as we furnished the facilities, the rate of
$3.00 per mile appears to be too high.
E. B. Moffatt.
2-h
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107
Scranton, Pa., May 19, 1936
File H-20:
Mr. E. B. Moffatt,
General Superintendent.
Dear Sir:
Referring to the attached bill of the Lehigh Valley Ry. in the amount
of $1747.05 for detouring our trains during March 1936.
Attention is called to charge of $240.00 included in this bill
covering use of Lehigh Valley engine 2093, which handled a train of stone
from Jamesville to East Binghamton subsequent to detouring a Lehigh Valley
train over our line from Pittston Junction to Syracuse.
Will you please advise if voucher should be issued in favor of the
Lehigh Valley RR covering this charge.
Yours truly,
V. D. Thayer
Supt. Car Service
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Binghamton, New York
May 23rd, 1936
Mr. E. B. Moffatt:
Returning enclosures sent me with your letter of the 21st, files
13711 and 11181, with regard to our using Lehigh Valley engine 2093
Syracuse to Binghamton, for which they are charging us $240.00
As stated by Chief Dispatcher Ryan in his memorandum next attached,
this engine was used in helper service only form Jamesville to Apulia.
Other than that we had no further use for the engine except to get it to
Binghamton, and we kept it coupled to the train to get it to Binghamton. So
I think the point Chief Dispatcher Ryan makes in his memorandum is well
taken; that they should not charge us more than for the mileage from
Jamesville to Apulia, 13 miles.
M. E.
Superintendent
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Binghamton, NY
May 24, 1936
EBM-Scranton
Attached memorandum from Chief Dispatcher Ryan should have
accompanied my letter 23rd in reply to your of the 21st, files 13711 and
11181 with regard to our using LV engine 2093 Syracuse to Binghamton.
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Binghamton, N. Y.
May 23rd, 1936
Mr. Frank Cisek,
Replying to attached.
We detoured L. V. train Binghamton to Syracuse handled by L. V.
engine 2093 and train was delivered to NYC for further movement via that
line.
NYC did not take LV engine, handling train over their line with NYC
power.
It was necessary that LV engine return to Binghamton for return to
owners. Engine was delivered to Erie R. R. at Binghamton for movements to
Waverly.
It was necessary engine return to Binghamton as stated above. After
L. V engine crew had had rest we double-headed engine to Binghamton with a
train of freight. The engine was used from Jamesville to Apulia only as
assisting engine. Between Syracuse and Jamesville and Apulia and Binghamton
the train did not have tonnage for L. V. engine.
As it was necessary to return engine and crew to Binghamton we took
advantage of the fact to handle the additional tonnage from Jamesville to
Apulia.
If, the fact that we used engine to move tonnage gives L. V. the
right to make a charge against us the mileage for which engine was actually
used was but 13 miles instead of the 80 miles for which L. V. make charge.
W. M. R.
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