Re: (erielack) Attica Branch Questions

["Paul Brezicki" <doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net>]

A 12 car train working Lancaster and Depew must be a local turn. My guess on 
the symbol is ATtica Way Freight. covers the Buffalo line from Bison to 
Attica.

Paul B

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Twarogowski" <stwarogowski_@_windstream.net>
To: "Paul Brezicki" <doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net>; "Erielack@Lists. Elhts. Org" 
<erielack_@_lists.elhts.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 12:05 PM
Subject: RE: (erielack) Attica Branch Questions


> Paul,
>
> Here's the entire consist, not sure what it may reveal.  The other two
> stations are Lancaster and Depew.
>
> ERIE 11520 ATWF BX 2660 E
> EL 14117 ATWF BX 2660 E
> EL 68657 ATWF BX 2660
> EJE 35154 ATWF BX 2760 E
> EL 18624 ATWF BX 2765
> EL 18647 ATWF BX 2765
> BLE 19054 ATWF BX 2765 E
> CBQ 30267 ATWF BX 2765
> MILW 99163 ATWF BX 2765
> MILW 99651 ATWF BX 2765
>
> Steve
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Paul Brezicki [mailto:doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net]
>> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 8:14 AM
>> To: Stephen Twarogowski; Erielack_@_Lists. Elhts. Org
>> Subject: Re: (erielack) Attica Branch Questions
>>
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>> What the heck was ATWF??
>>
>> Paul B
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Stephen Twarogowski" <stwarogowski_@_windstream.net>
>> To: "Erielack_@_Lists. Elhts. Org" <erielack@lists.elhts.org>;
>> "Paul Brezicki"
>> <doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:31 AM
>> Subject: RE: (erielack) Attica Branch Questions
>>
>>
>> > Paul,
>> >
>> > For what it's worth, the Passing Report shows movement from BX
>> to station
>> > 2660 (Attica) for 3 cars on train ATWF.  Nothing from 2660.
>> >
>> > Steve
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Paul Brezicki [mailto:doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net]
>> >> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 12:50 AM
>> >> To: EL Mailing List; Smtimko_@_aol.com
>> >> Subject: (erielack) Attica Branch Questions
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Steve and List,
>> >>
>> >> I have a few questions about EL operations on this branch;
>> Steve, I think
>> >> you may be familiar with this area also. The first involves
>> >> interchange of
>> >> salt traffic with the G&W. It appears that this took place at 3
>> >> locations:
>> >> the bulk of it occurred at Greigsville on the former DL&W
>> main, and less
>> >> than a mile from the big salt mine at Retsof; G&W Jct
>> (Caledonia) on the
>> >> Erie Rochester branch; and indirectly via P&L (Pittsburgh &
>> >> Lehigh) Jct to
>> >> B&O's BR&P line at Silver Springs on the Erie Buffalo main. (This last
>> >> became the interchange with D&H when it assumed traffic rights on
>> >> Conrail).
>> >> Why 3 interchanges for the salt traffic?
>> >>
>> >> Secondly, was all of the Attica branch traffic routed through
>> Buffalo, or
>> >> did some head directly east from Attica? As far as I can tell,
>> operations
>> >> consisted of the following:
>> >> RC-98 or 298, BFO-Rochester and running off BR-100 from Meadville
>> >> RM-97, Rochester-BFO
>> >> Groveland Turn out of Bison, mostly salt off the G&W at Greigsville
>> >> Avon local, based at Avon and running west as far as Attica
>> >>
>> >> In addition, the salt business was heavy enough to warrant solid salt
>> >> consists, although I don't know how frequently these were
>> >> operated. Much of
>> >> this salt traffic traffic headed east to the Port of Albany,
>> >> which continued
>> >> after 1976; the D&H operated dedicated consists of this traffic.
>> >>
>> >> In the 1970's, both BM-7 and BM-9 usually operated via Attica and
>> >> River Jct
>> >> mainly to avoid the steep WB grade on the B&SW. Did these trains and 
>> >> EB
>> >> trains like ATC-4 and BS-2 pick up Attica branch cars at Attica
>> >> to save the
>> >> 25 mile backhaul to Bison?
>> >>
>> >> As an aside, the name "Attica Branch" is an anomaly, since
>> >> branchlines are
>> >> generally named for the endpoint, not the mainline Jct; eg: it's
>> >> the Dayton
>> >> Branch, not the Marion Branch.
>> >>
>> >> Paul B
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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