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Re: (erielack) Attica Branch Questions
Steve-
Does the "BX" indicate a box car? I noticed that some of the EL/Erie
numbers fall in the series for gondolas and covered hoppers.
- -Joe Jordan
Train Nut Central
http://www.20thcenturyhobbies.com/trainnut/
At 12:49 PM 9/23/07 -0400, Paul Brezicki wrote:
>A 12 car train working Lancaster and Depew must be a local turn. My guess on
>the symbol is ATtica Way Freight. covers the Buffalo line from Bison to
>Attica.
>
>Paul B
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stephen Twarogowski" <stwarogowski_@_windstream.net>
>To: "Paul Brezicki" <doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net>; "Erielack@Lists. Elhts. Org"
><erielack_@_lists.elhts.org>
>Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 12:05 PM
>Subject: RE: (erielack) Attica Branch Questions
>
>
>> Paul,
>>
>> Here's the entire consist, not sure what it may reveal. The other two
>> stations are Lancaster and Depew.
>>
>> ERIE 11520 ATWF BX 2660 E
>> EL 14117 ATWF BX 2660 E
>> EL 68657 ATWF BX 2660
>> EJE 35154 ATWF BX 2760 E
>> EL 18624 ATWF BX 2765
>> EL 18647 ATWF BX 2765
>> BLE 19054 ATWF BX 2765 E
>> CBQ 30267 ATWF BX 2765
>> MILW 99163 ATWF BX 2765
>> MILW 99651 ATWF BX 2765
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Paul Brezicki [mailto:doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net]
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 8:14 AM
>>> To: Stephen Twarogowski; Erielack_@_Lists. Elhts. Org
>>> Subject: Re: (erielack) Attica Branch Questions
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve,
>>>
>>> What the heck was ATWF??
>>>
>>> Paul B
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Stephen Twarogowski" <stwarogowski_@_windstream.net>
>>> To: "Erielack_@_Lists. Elhts. Org" <erielack@lists.elhts.org>;
>>> "Paul Brezicki"
>>> <doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net>
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:31 AM
>>> Subject: RE: (erielack) Attica Branch Questions
>>>
>>>
>>> > Paul,
>>> >
>>> > For what it's worth, the Passing Report shows movement from BX
>>> to station
>>> > 2660 (Attica) for 3 cars on train ATWF. Nothing from 2660.
>>> >
>>> > Steve
>>> >
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: Paul Brezicki [mailto:doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net]
>>> >> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 12:50 AM
>>> >> To: EL Mailing List; Smtimko_@_aol.com
>>> >> Subject: (erielack) Attica Branch Questions
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Steve and List,
>>> >>
>>> >> I have a few questions about EL operations on this branch;
>>> Steve, I think
>>> >> you may be familiar with this area also. The first involves
>>> >> interchange of
>>> >> salt traffic with the G&W. It appears that this took place at 3
>>> >> locations:
>>> >> the bulk of it occurred at Greigsville on the former DL&W
>>> main, and less
>>> >> than a mile from the big salt mine at Retsof; G&W Jct
>>> (Caledonia) on the
>>> >> Erie Rochester branch; and indirectly via P&L (Pittsburgh &
>>> >> Lehigh) Jct to
>>> >> B&O's BR&P line at Silver Springs on the Erie Buffalo main. (This last
>>> >> became the interchange with D&H when it assumed traffic rights on
>>> >> Conrail).
>>> >> Why 3 interchanges for the salt traffic?
>>> >>
>>> >> Secondly, was all of the Attica branch traffic routed through
>>> Buffalo, or
>>> >> did some head directly east from Attica? As far as I can tell,
>>> operations
>>> >> consisted of the following:
>>> >> RC-98 or 298, BFO-Rochester and running off BR-100 from Meadville
>>> >> RM-97, Rochester-BFO
>>> >> Groveland Turn out of Bison, mostly salt off the G&W at Greigsville
>>> >> Avon local, based at Avon and running west as far as Attica
>>> >>
>>> >> In addition, the salt business was heavy enough to warrant solid salt
>>> >> consists, although I don't know how frequently these were
>>> >> operated. Much of
>>> >> this salt traffic traffic headed east to the Port of Albany,
>>> >> which continued
>>> >> after 1976; the D&H operated dedicated consists of this traffic.
>>> >>
>>> >> In the 1970's, both BM-7 and BM-9 usually operated via Attica and
>>> >> River Jct
>>> >> mainly to avoid the steep WB grade on the B&SW. Did these trains and
>>> >> EB
>>> >> trains like ATC-4 and BS-2 pick up Attica branch cars at Attica
>>> >> to save the
>>> >> 25 mile backhaul to Bison?
>>> >>
>>> >> As an aside, the name "Attica Branch" is an anomaly, since
>>> >> branchlines are
>>> >> generally named for the endpoint, not the mainline Jct; eg: it's
>>> >> the Dayton
>>> >> Branch, not the Marion Branch.
>>> >>
>>> >> Paul B
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
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>>
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