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RE: (erielack) Attica Branch Questions

in Freight car designation  a regular box car is X    BX is used for Express Box  ie a car equipped to be handled in a Pax consist> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:27:44 -0400> To: erielack_@_lists.elhts.org; stwarogowski@windstream.net; erielack@lists.elhts.org> From: eltrainmaster@copper.net> Subject: Re: (erielack) Attica Branch Questions> > Steve-> > Does the "BX" indicate a box car? I noticed that some of the EL/Erie> numbers fall in the series for gondolas and covered hoppers.> > -Joe Jordan> Train Nut Central> http://www.20thcenturyhobbies.com/trainnut/> > At 12:49 PM 9/23/07 -0400, Paul Brezicki wrote:> >A 12 car train working Lancaster and Depew must be a local turn. My guess on > >the symbol is ATtica Way Freight. covers the Buffalo line from Bison to > >Attica.> >> >Paul B> >> >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Stephen Twarogowski" <stwarogowski@windstream.net>> >To: "Paul Brezicki" <doctorpb@bellsouth.net>; "Erielack@Lists. Elhts. Org" > ><erielack@lists.elhts.org>> >Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 12:05 PM> >Subject: RE: (erielack) Attica Branch Questions> >> >> >> Paul,> >>> >> Here's the entire consist, not sure what it may reveal. The other two> >> stations are Lancaster and Depew.> >>> >> ERIE 11520 ATWF BX 2660 E> >> EL 14117 ATWF BX 2660 E> >> EL 68657 ATWF BX 2660> >> EJE 35154 ATWF BX 2760 E> >> EL 18624 ATWF BX 2765> >> EL 18647 ATWF BX 2765> >> BLE 19054 ATWF BX 2765 E> >> CBQ 30267 ATWF BX 2765> >> MILW 99163 ATWF BX 2765> >> MILW 99651 ATWF BX 2765> >>> >> Steve> >>> >>> -----Original Message-----> >>> From: Paul Brezicki [mailto:doctorpb@bellsouth.net]> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 8:14 AM> >>> To: Stephen Twarogowski; Erielack@Lists. Elhts. Org> >>> Subject: Re: (erielack) Attica Branch Questions> >>>> >>>> >>> Steve,> >>>> >>> What the heck was ATWF??> >>>> >>> Paul B> >>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----> >>> From: "Stephen Twarogowski" <stwarogowski@windstream.net>> >>> To: "Erielack@Lists. Elhts. Org" <erielack@lists.elhts.org>;> >>> "Paul Brezicki"> >>> <doctorpb@be!
 llsouth.
net>> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:31 AM> >>> Subject: RE: (erielack) Attica Branch Questions> >>>> >>>> >>> > Paul,> >>> >> >>> > For what it's worth, the Passing Report shows movement from BX> >>> to station> >>> > 2660 (Attica) for 3 cars on train ATWF. Nothing from 2660.> >>> >> >>> > Steve> >>> >> >>> >> -----Original Message-----> >>> >> From: Paul Brezicki [mailto:doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net]> >>> >> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 12:50 AM> >>> >> To: EL Mailing List; Smtimko@aol.com> >>> >> Subject: (erielack) Attica Branch Questions> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Steve and List,> >>> >>> >>> >> I have a few questions about EL operations on this branch;> >>> Steve, I think> >>> >> you may be familiar with this area also. The first involves> >>> >> interchange of> >>> >> salt traffic with the G&W. It appears that this took place at 3> >>> >> locations:> >>> >> the bulk of it occurred at Greigsville on the former DL&W> >>> main, and less> >>> >> than a mile from the big salt mine at Retsof; G&W Jct> >>> (Caledonia) on the> >>> >> Erie Rochester branch; and indirectly via P&L (Pittsburgh &> >>> >> Lehigh) Jct to> >>> >> B&O's BR&P line at Silver Springs on the Erie Buffalo main. (This last> >>> >> became the interchange with D&H when it assumed traffic rights on> >>> >> Conrail).> >>> >> Why 3 interchanges for the salt traffic?> >>> >>> >>> >> Secondly, was all of the Attica branch traffic routed through> >>> Buffalo, or> >>> >> did some head directly east from Attica? As far as I can tell,> >>> operations> >>> >> consisted of the following:> >>> >> RC-98 or 298, BFO-Rochester and running off BR-100 from Meadville> >>> >> RM-97, Rochester-BFO> >>> >> Groveland Turn out of Bison, mostly salt off the G&W at Greigsville> >>> >> Avon local, based at Avon and running west as far as Attica> >>> >>> >>> >> In addition, the salt business was heavy enough to warrant solid salt> >>> >> consists, although I don't know how frequently these were> >>> >> operated. Much of> >>> >> this salt traffic traffic headed !
 east to 
the Port of Albany,> >>> >> which continued> >>> >> after 1976; the D&H operated dedicated consists of this traffic.> >>> >>> >>> >> In the 1970's, both BM-7 and BM-9 usually operated via Attica and> >>> >> River Jct> >>> >> mainly to avoid the steep WB grade on the B&SW. Did these trains and > >>> >> EB> >>> >> trains like ATC-4 and BS-2 pick up Attica branch cars at Attica> >>> >> to save the> >>> >> 25 mile backhaul to Bison?> >>> >>> >>> >> As an aside, the name "Attica Branch" is an anomaly, since> >>> >> branchlines are> >>> >> generally named for the endpoint, not the mainline Jct; eg: it's> >>> >> the Dayton> >>> >> Branch, not the Marion Branch.> >>> >>> >>> >> Paul B> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> The Erie Lackawanna Mailing List> >>> >> Sponsored by the ELH&TS> >>> >> http://www.elhts.org> >>> >> To Unsubscribe: http://lists.elhts.org/erielackunsub.html> >>> >>> >>> >> >>>> >>>> >> > >> >> > The Erie Lackawanna Mailing List> > Sponsored by the ELH&TS> > http://www.elhts.org> > To Unsubscribe: http://lists.elhts.org/erielackunsub.html> >> > The Erie Lackawanna Mailing List> Sponsored by the ELH&TS> http://www.elhts.org> To Unsubscribe: http://lists.elhts.org/erielackunsub.html
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