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(erielack) Siding with the Lackawanna Cutoff
Ahhh, some facts, and not so much ROMA data.
While the discussion has gone on a bit long, Jerome's point of view is enlightening and the pro-rail crowd should pay attention. NJT and the politicians are going to lock horns with many people with similar opinions -- solve the arguments before they're in the newspapers. Martz, too, will have a strong argument against rail since gov't isn't supposed to compete with private business. The Martz CEO could logically argue to pave the cut-off for bus-only traffic.
NJT is doing the wise thing. It cannot significantly add trains or ridership until the new tunnel is in service. Start the Cut-off in a small way to not congest the current system, and work with Pennsylvania to complete the link. How many of you realize that the State of Pennsylvania invests more money in railroad infrastructure then CSXT?
Schuyler's assessment of the cost of owning his vehicle is a similar process the IRS uses to determine deductibility.
Will Scranton / NYC trains be worth while? Who knows. Poconos to North Jersey certainly will be eventually.
As for right versus left -- good people on both sides make an objective government work. Government needs more good people. What we have now is approaching kakistocracy.
....Mike Del Vecchio
In a message dated 06/20/09 11:07:20 Eastern Daylight Time, KSmollin writes:
Jerome, NJT in the EA states the position on freight. READ IT
On page 23 of the EA it gives the following reasons
1. Line is not connected to the "freight network" in NJ. With all major
freight traffic going up the river line or out the lehigh valley line
2. Too many commuter trains east of Port Morris
3. Grades too steep in the Poconos
4. Clearance issues due to wires
5. Weight limitations imposed by NJT(I didn't know this even)...apparently
freight tracks are unrestricted
and 6. No operator is interested in it
Read it for yourself
_http://www.njtransit.com/pdf/Appendix%20W%20-%20Summary.pdf_
(http://www.njtransit.com/pdf/Appendix%20W%20-%20Summary.pdf)
Keith
In a message dated 6/20/2009 10:30:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
erie_lackawanna_@_yahoo.com writes:
And NIMBY's along the ever so safe and quiet Cut Off want it that way. If
track were restored M&E RY would use it for service to Scranton. Not likely
to happen after all these Centuries!!!
Jerome
- --- On Sat, 6/20/09, doubletrack_@_netzero.net <doubletrack@netzero.net>
wrote:
From: doubletrack_@_netzero.net <doubletrack@netzero.net>
Subject: RE: (erielack) NJ/PA - Environmental Assessment for Lackawanna
Cutoff now ava...
To: erielack_@_lists.railfan.net
Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 10:18 AM
There are "Some" Nimbys and Polititians who dont Support the West Shore
line though that is off topic as its NEW YORK CENTRAL not ERIE LACKAWANNA
Terrirtory. however you dont realize that RRs like CSX are also Fighting to
Keep Commuter Trains off thier FREIGHT RR something the NJ Cutoff doesnt
have to compete against as even IF the Morristown and Erie and Delaware
Lackawanna were to Run through Freight in the Future its not that many and Both
are owned by Pro Passenger People! but at this time thats not even part of
the plan
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