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RE: (erielack) Siding with the Lackawanna Cutoff

Thank you Mike for a reasonable statement on all of this.  I am surprised
that PA spends more on RR infrastructure than CSX. 

I like these discussion and apologize for my right wing left wing comments.

Pete H (East Tennessee)



- -----Original Message-----
From: MDelvec952 [mailto:mdelvec952_@_aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 20 June, 2009 12:12 PM
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Subject: (erielack) Siding with the Lackawanna Cutoff 



Ahhh, some facts, and not so much ROMA data.

While the discussion has gone on a bit long, Jerome's point of view is
enlightening and the pro-rail crowd should pay attention.  NJT and the
politicians are going to lock horns with many people with similar opinions
- -- solve the arguments before they're in the newspapers.  Martz, too, will
have a strong argument against rail since gov't isn't supposed to compete
with private business.  The Martz CEO could logically argue to pave the
cut-off for bus-only traffic.

NJT is doing the wise thing.  It cannot significantly add trains or
ridership until the new tunnel is in service. Start the Cut-off in a small
way to not congest the current system, and work with Pennsylvania to
complete the link.  How many of you realize that the State of Pennsylvania
invests more money in railroad infrastructure then CSXT?

Schuyler's assessment of the cost of owning his vehicle is a similar process
the IRS uses to determine deductibility.

Will Scranton / NYC trains be worth while?  Who knows.  Poconos to North
Jersey certainly will be eventually.

As for right versus left -- good people on both sides make an objective
government work.  Government needs more good people.  What we have now is
approaching kakistocracy.

            ....Mike Del Vecchio







In a message dated 06/20/09 11:07:20 Eastern Daylight Time, KSmollin writes:
Jerome, NJT in the EA states the position on freight. READ IT 

On page 23 of the EA it gives the following reasons 

1. Line is not connected to the "freight network" in NJ. With all major   
freight traffic going up the river line or out the lehigh valley line 
2. Too many commuter trains east of Port Morris 
3. Grades too steep in the Poconos 
4. Clearance issues due to wires 
5. Weight limitations imposed by NJT(I didn't know this even)...apparently

freight tracks are unrestricted 
and 6. No operator is interested in it 
Read it for yourself 
_http://www.njtransit.com/pdf/Appendix%20W%20-%20Summary.pdf_ 
(http://www.njtransit.com/pdf/Appendix%20W%20-%20Summary.pdf) 
Keith 





In a message dated 6/20/2009 10:30:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,   
erie_lackawanna_@_yahoo.com writes: 

And  NIMBY's along the ever so safe and quiet Cut Off want it that way. If 
track  were restored M&E RY would use it for service to Scranton. Not likely

to  happen after all these Centuries!!! 

Jerome 

- --- On Sat, 6/20/09,  doubletrack_@_netzero.net <doubletrack@netzero.net>   
wrote: 


From: doubletrack_@_netzero.net  <doubletrack@netzero.net> 
Subject: RE: (erielack) NJ/PA -  Environmental Assessment for Lackawanna 
Cutoff now ava... 
To:  erielack_@_lists.railfan.net 
Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 10:18  AM 


There are "Some" Nimbys and Polititians who dont Support the  West Shore 
line  though that is off topic as its NEW YORK CENTRAL not  ERIE LACKAWANNA 
Terrirtory. however you dont realize that RRs like CSX are  also Fighting to

Keep Commuter Trains off thier FREIGHT RR something the NJ  Cutoff doesnt 
have to compete against as even IF the Morristown and Erie and  Delaware 
Lackawanna were to Run through Freight in the Future its not that  many and
Both 
are owned by Pro Passenger People!  but at this time thats  not even part of

the plan     


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