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Re: (erielack) DL&W, Kearny Jct 1960s-1970s



Jim and List,

Certainly agree that the movement of PRR freights from Harsimus Cove

would normally take them over the lower-level P&H bridge across the
Hackensack River. For this reason, I was startled to see some freight

trains operating over the parallel Jersey City Branch at night. These

freight trains, however, were rather small in length and easily handled
the grades involved, no doubt filling out somewhere else down the road.
During this off-peak time period, H&M headway was evidently such that
a short freight train could be squeezed in between scheduled passenger

services. While exceptional, this routing of freight trains did occur at least

several times that I am aware of.

The routing of through freight trains with time-sensitive freight forwarder

traffic via the P&H Branch and Newark Penn Station continued into the
Conrail era.  This practice was discontinued after a boxcar with a partially

opened plug door hit a high-level platform at Newark and nearly injured

some waiting passengers.

Bill Sheppard

- -----Original Message-----

From: Jim Guthrie <jguthrie_@_pipeline.com>

To: EL Mail List <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>

Sent: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 10:08 pm

Subject: Re: (erielack) DL&W, Kearny Jct 1960s-1970s

Bill,

Though one should know better than to say "never happened"

in this railfan business, but I suspect PRR freights didn’t

roll over the Jersey City branch Bridge over the Hackensack,

but used the lower level freight bridge on the P&H.

The only way to get to the Jersey City Branch Bridge was

through a very tight crossover at Waldo (the east end of

Journal Square). They would then have to go up a pretty

stiff grade to the bridge. On the P&H they switched to the

connecting track at Karny Interlocking and then to the route

through Harrison and Newark at Hudson Interlocking. In

short, I don’t think they went over the rollercoaster when

they could achieve the same end by simply running on the

through tracks that were in place for that purpose.

Further, a freight on the Joint Service tracks would have

been something the PRR avoided doing except in emergencies,

as there were both PRR and H&M trains on the line 24/7.

This isn't so OT as some might contend-- the M&E, the Erie

and the NYS&W all used this line back in the day, but before

the bridges we know were built.

Let me add that in the days when the NYS&W served Exchange

Place, they had to contend with PRR freight, as there were

no crossovers from the mainly-passenger Jersey City Branch

to the switch at Marion Junction. The NYS&W commuters

disliked that, as you might guess, especially since Jersey

City-bound trains had to crossover the westbound Harsimus

Cove Freight main to get to the eastbound track.  Westbound

trains coul easily be stabbed as well, as the "PRR Freight

Main" was also the "NYS&W main"

Of course, as I wrote in a  "Midlander"articles a few years

back, those complaints became something of a "be careful

what you wish for" when the Erie moved the trains over to

Pavonia after completion of the Arches. <g>.

Cheers,

Jim Guthrie

ELHS #1296

- -----Original Message-----

From: Bill Sheppard

Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 6:37 PM

To: erielack_@_lists.railfan.net

Subject: Re: (erielack) DL&W, Kearny Jct 1960s-1970s

David & List,

Great shots these are!  Thank goodness Joe Seaman had a

steady hand.

Years ago, the PRR ran some fast freights from Harsimus Cove

behind

GG-1's over what is now the PATH bridge across the

Hackensack River.

These freight trains were scheduled to run at night and

would operate

right through Newark Penn Station after joining the Main

Line at Hudson.

Unlike PATH trains, these freight trains drew power from a

catenary system.

From the window of a MU train on the Morristown Line at

night, one could

sometimes see the silhouette of these freight trains

crossing the high-level

Hackensack River bridge downstream. These freight trains

moved right

along and sometimes the PRR motors and DL&W MU equipment

would

run right alongside one another between Kearny Junction and

Hudson.

Now that was a sight to behold!

Bill Sheppard

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From: David J. Monte Verde <dmvgvt_@_earthlink.net>

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<petergores_@_yahoo.com>; 'P J TEMPLETON' <pjt1197@msn.com&gt;;

Larry Malski <lmalski_@_msn.com>

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Subject: (erielack) DL&W, Kearny Jct 1960s-1970s

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Subject: Re: DL&W, Kearny Jct, 1978

Great find and annotation job!  They say (I have no idea who

'they' are)

that a picture is worth a thousand words and I will probably

end up writing

that many words about this photo.  It revives many memories

from my early

days on the railroad as well as my final days on the

railroad.

The original 1951 NJ Turnpike (now the Eastern Spur at this

location) was a

six lane bridge with no shoulders, clearing MHW by 135 feet.

In 1969, the

turnpike was widened to twelve lanes.  At this location,

another bridge was

built west of and adjacent to the original bridge.  This was

also six lanes

but with shoulders and became the Western Spur.

In December 1972 while on my way home from Military duty at

Fort Knox, I

rode a MP-54 local out of Penn Station to change to the CNJ

at Newark for

Bound Brook.  The MP-54 local made an employee stop at

Portal.

Unexpectedly, a PC Civil Engineer that I graduated with

boarded there too.

While stopped, I noticed that the old Eastern Spur Turnpike

bridge was being

widened to accommodate shoulders on both sides.

Even with shoulders, it could be a suicide mission to stop

and take a

picture.  I ran into such a situation about five or six

years ago.  In

addition to joint facilities, I was also administering the

CBS Signboard

agreement.  At nearly the exact spot that your photo was

taken, a new tall

(very tall!) signboard was proposed on Conrail property.  I

also needed to

photograph the next signboard to the south from the

viewpoint of the

southbound turnpike driver on top of the bridge.  I

solicited the assistance

of Joe Seaman who rolled down my truck window, held my

camera outside and

snapped a picture as I sped along the turnpike sandwiched

between two maniac

trailer trucks.

In your photo, just to the right of the Lackawanna main

tracks, you can just

barely see the east leg of the wye to the Harrison Branch.

That is now the

site of a junk yard.  Notice the slightly different colored

grass to the

right of the Lackawanna and curving along the wye.  That

property is still

owned by Conrail and is known as RA-26 (Residual Asset).  A

natural gas main

trunk line is buried underneath.  This was the ROW of the

former PRR-DL&;W

interchange track that came off the NEC in the vicinity of

what is now known

as 'Swift' - the 'Midtown Direct' connection that keeps the

commuters happy.

Actually, it's probably a major source of discontent among

commuters because

it seems like there is a major NEC disruption on a weekly

basis that

necessitates diversion into Hoboken.

Today is January 31.  Two years and two days ago (January

29, 2010) there

was an incident involving the Conrail operator-bridge tender

who occupied

the PATH bridge and controlled both the CR Hack bridge as

well as the PATH

bridge.  This became known as the "Moon in Perigee"

incident.  The third

trick operator was an avid astronomer and photographer.

Early that fateful

morning, that operator apparently climbed higher than the

control cabin in

the upper reaches of the structure and attempted to

photograph the moon.

Although the exact circumstances will never be known,

somehow he slipped and

fell off the bridge, plunging to his death in the mud flats

below.  Almost

exactly a year later, another operator was found dead there

by his relief.

He apparently died of natural causes, though.

Back in November 1977 when I bumped Pickelmtn Fred out of

2nd Cranford, he

went on to 2nd Summit.  When I got bumped out of Cranford in

March 1978, I

decided to give Fred a break and not bump him again, so I

went to 2nd Hack.

Simultaneously, I qualified as Extra Movement Director.  I

ended up working

either that or Train Dispatcher on a daily basis.  It wasn't

until late

Summer that year that I finally made it to Hack.  I lugged

my camera

equipment to work on the first day I worked there.

To get to the operator's cabin, one first has to climb up an

embankment to

the freight bridge, check that there's no train, walk down

the track onto

the bridge, climb down a ladder to the pilings, walk a

boardwalk on the

pilings between the two bridges, climb up a ladder to the

PATH bridge, check

that there's no PATH train coming, walk along the PATH track

looking out for

the third rail, then go up a couple hundred step exposed

stairway on the

side of the bridge.  Needless to say, I only lugged the

camera equipment out

there once.

The freight bridge sits so low to the water that a lift is

needed to clear a

rowboat while the PATH bridge sits high enough to clear all

the tug and

barge traffic, requiring a lift only for the occasional

larger craft, maybe

one or two lifts a week.  On my first day there, I had three

lifts of the

PATH bridge, including one at rush hour when the PATH ran at

3 minute

intervals in each direction.  The PATH dispatcher thought I

just wanted to

raise and lower the bridge for kicks!

To this day, I regret never taking my camera equipment when

I worked the now

gone CNJ Newark Bay Draw, a much more impressive structure.

Attached are some of the photos I took from Hack as well as

others.

1. Photo from NJTP that you originally attached.

2. Photo of signboard taken by Joe Seaman from the same

location.

3.   375  Eastbound DL&W approaching their Hack bridge, NEC

Portal in

background.

4.   374  Looking South, down Newark Bay, NJTP Extension

overhead, PRR/LV

"Upper Bay" being raised.

5.   372 NEC moving train crossing Portal Bridge

6.   377  Westbound two GG-1s crossing Portal, DL&W in

foreground, NJTP East

Spur in background.

7.   371  Westbound DL&W exiting their Hack bridge.

8.   370  Westbound DL&W on their Hack lift span.

9.   376  Westbound DL&W crossing their Hack, PSE&G

generating station in

background.

10. 373  Four bridges are up in the air for passage of the

Asphalt Merchant.

I am on the PATH bridge, the next bridge in view is the

Freight bridge

raised to 135' MHW.  Immediately adjacent to it on the other

side is the

Highway bridge.  In the background is the DL&W bridge that

looks like it has

just started to lower.  Collectively, these were know as the

Triple Bridges,

rather than the expected Quadruple bridges, probably because

the Freight and

Highway bridges were immediately adjacent to each other.

11. Bayonne Scoot crossing west lift span of CNJ's Newark

Bay Draw.  DY

tower sits between the east and west draws as well as

between the north and

south bridges.  Both Pickelmtn and JerseyZephyr worked there

many times.

Photo by former CNJ (and NJT) towerman, the late Bill Burke.

12. Bay Draw tower being dismantled.  Port Authority photo.

13. Photo taken by me at the site of my favorite bridge

experience.  George

Washington Bridge looking toward Upper Manhattan from the

Fort Lee NJ tower.

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