Re: (erielack) Unknown tunnel Portal

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Rich
I know of the web site.  That's where I initially saw the  photo.   But to 
me, it still doesn't come together correctly to be the  West Portal of the 
Erie Tunnel?   I state that because, look at  photo's 
HAER JERCI 6-8 and 6-9    Both show what I assume to be the  top of the 
head wall of the Erie Tunnel. Taken three months apart and both show  the Erie 
tunnel as having a pointed ( peeked ) head wall over the  portal.   The 
photo in question, doesn't.   The photo in  question has a 100' cut leading up 
to it. The other two photo's show it as being  JUST to the right, ( South ) 
of the Lackawanna's over head bridge. This bridge  does not appear in the 
photo I question.
 
I know this portal got changed and pushed back at least once, with either  
or both,  the Lackawanna's second tunnel and / or the Erie archways being  
built.  I have no idea when the archways were completed?  I know it's  not 
the same portal as today, having gone through it hundreds of times.  It  also 
seems to me that there was more land, ( mountain ) above the portal than  
what shows in the photo I question, but maybe I'm wrong on that.
 
I know what the captions say, but............................
 
Bob Bahrs
 
 
 
In a message dated 2/9/2012 9:13:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
RWisneski_@_njtransit.com writes:


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Bob, I believe this  is the Erie Bergen Hill Tunnel, I've seen this photo 
before, it is dated Feb  10, 1906 and is in the Historic American Engineering 
Record  NJ-22-7.



Here is a link, you'll have to search through it a bit  to find  it.


http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/habs_haer/



I  found it by browsing by place (on the left side), going to "N" for New 
Jersey,  clicking next a few times until New Jersey - Hudson - Jersey City 
was visible,  click on that link, go to the third page to find the Erie 
Railroad Open Cut  link, click on that, and then browse the 19 b&w photos.



I  imagine I (and most other list members) could spend a few weeks browsing 
 through all the photos you can find on this site.



I have  attached a photo from just a few years ago, a "down on" shot of the 
east  portal of the Erie Tunnel, showing the concrete construction which no 
doubt  was put in around the time of the Arches construction, but also 
importantly  showing the three different engraved plaques on the façade 
(unfortunately it  does not clearly show the entire plaque).  I'm not sure but it 
looks to  me like only the large panel listing the members of the Board of 
Directors is  in the 1906 photo.



Interestingly, the Erie Bergen Tunnel, which  was recently cleared for full 
height double stacks and used by 10 or so trains  per day in 2012, was 
opened for service BEFORE Abraham Lincoln was president,  in early 1861.  James 
Buchanan was still president until Lincoln's  Inauguration in March, 1861.



Rich Wisneski



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Date:  Wed, 8 Feb 2012 20:42:26 -0500 (EST)

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Subject: (erielack)  Unknown tunnel  Portal



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I  originally thought this was the west end of Bergen Tunnel, old   portal,

Then possibly the east portal.   After further  checking  neither one seems

to be right.    So, I'm open  for opinions,  confirmations, or donations.

Hoping for the later  but will take the first two if  I have to.   Erie  
Tunnel

maybe?

Bob Bahrs



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