Re: (erielack) Unknown tunnel Portal

[Dlw1el2_@_aol.com]

Well, some one else pointed out to me that the web site states it's the  
east portal, which when I went back and looked, was correct.   My  mistake for 
missing that.   I guess that's why I said it just didn't  fit as being the 
west portal.  The topography does fits the  East portal better, but I 
remember  the East portal having a big  inscription about the Long Dock Company 
inscribed in it's head stone,  which means the East end has also been altered.
 
Bob Bahrs
 
 
In a message dated 2/9/2012 10:45:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
Dlw1el2_@_aol.com writes:

Rich
I know of the web site.  That's where I initially saw  the  photo.   But to 
me, it still doesn't come together  correctly to be the  West Portal of the 
Erie Tunnel?   I  state that because, look at  photo's 
HAER JERCI 6-8 and 6-9   Both show what I assume to be the  top of the 
head wall of the  Erie Tunnel. Taken three months apart and both show  the 
Erie 
tunnel  as having a pointed ( peeked ) head wall over the  portal.    The 
photo in question, doesn't.   The photo in  question  has a 100' cut 
leading up 
to it. The other two photo's show it as  being  JUST to the right, ( South 
) 
of the Lackawanna's over head  bridge. This bridge  does not appear in the 
photo I  question.

I know this portal got changed and pushed back at least once,  with either  
or both,  the Lackawanna's second tunnel and / or  the Erie archways being  
built.  I have no idea when the  archways were completed?  I know it's  not 
the same portal as  today, having gone through it hundreds of times.  It  
also 
seems  to me that there was more land, ( mountain ) above the portal than   
what shows in the photo I question, but maybe I'm wrong on that.

I  know what the captions say, but............................

Bob  Bahrs



In a message dated 2/9/2012 9:13:12 A.M. Eastern Standard  Time,  
RWisneski_@_njtransit.com writes:


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Bob, I believe  this  is the Erie Bergen Hill Tunnel, I've seen this photo 
before, it  is dated Feb  10, 1906 and is in the Historic American 
Engineering  
Record  NJ-22-7.



Here is a link, you'll have to search  through it a bit  to find   it.


http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/habs_haer/



I   found it by browsing by place (on the left side), going to "N" for New  
Jersey,  clicking next a few times until New Jersey - Hudson - Jersey  City 
was visible,  click on that link, go to the third page to find  the Erie 
Railroad Open Cut  link, click on that, and then browse the  19 b&w photos.



I  imagine I (and most other list  members) could spend a few weeks 
browsing 
through all the photos you can  find on this site.



I have  attached a photo from just a  few years ago, a "down on" shot of 
the 
east  portal of the Erie  Tunnel, showing the concrete construction which 
no 
doubt  was put in  around the time of the Arches construction, but also 
importantly   showing the three different engraved plaques on the façade 
(unfortunately  it  does not clearly show the entire plaque).  I'm not sure 
but it  
looks to  me like only the large panel listing the members of the  Board of 
Directors is  in the 1906  photo.



Interestingly, the Erie Bergen Tunnel, which  was  recently cleared for 
full 
height double stacks and used by 10 or so  trains  per day in 2012, was 
opened for service BEFORE Abraham  Lincoln was president,  in early 1861.  
James 
Buchanan was still  president until Lincoln's  Inauguration in March,  1861.



Rich  Wisneski



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