Re: (rshsdepot) "Real" railroads in NY City Streets

["Paul S. Luchter" <luckyshow_@_mindspring.com>]

I presume this building is no longer there....Avenue D and 14th St. was last
intersection before the East River.....no rail is shown on old maps I have,
but there was a long pier extending off 14th, so...Hall of Records...platt
map...




Paul
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jim Dent <jdent_@_erols.com>
To: RSHS List <rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net>
Date: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 11:09 PM
Subject: (rshsdepot) "Real" railroads in NY City Streets


>Received from Kenyon F. Karl...
>
>None of the railroad cars in the photograph have the 'radial couplers' and
>rounded ends required for operation on the very sharp curves that are
>usually encountered on city streetcar trackage. There still remains a very
>small chance that the cars were moved ONE AT A TIME over the streetcar
track
>using a special coupler with jointed drawbar between the locomotive and
>freight car. Additional confirmation that interurban freight cars complying
>with specifications established by the Central Electric Railroad
Association
>were rarely (if ever) handled by the nearby steam railroads, thus there is
>little reason for an interuban freight car from the midwestern trolley
lines
>to stray into New York City.
>
>Kenyon F. Karl
>Kenyon_Karl_@_mail.com
>http://www.new-england-rail-trails.org
>http://www.new-england-public-transit.org
>http://www.northernrailtrail.org
>http://www.trainweb.org/nhrra
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rshsdepot-owner_@_lists.railfan.net
>[mailto:rshsdepot-owner_@_lists.railfan.net]On Behalf Of Paul S. Luchter
>Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:09 AM
>To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net
>Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) "Real" railroads in NY City Streets
>
>
>By 1910, the 4th Avenue line south of Grand Central is doubtful for how
they
>got there...perhaps they were somehow transferred to the streetcar tracks,
>maybe onto the 14th Street line, or other line that crossed the rail on the
>west side...otherwise it might be lighted over and a temporary float
bridge,
>since here is evidently a temporary siding...
>
>Paul
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Steven Delibert <stevdel_@_prodigy.net>
>To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net <rshsdepot@lists.railfan.net>
>Date: Monday, April 23, 2001 11:47 PM
>Subject: (rshsdepot) "Real" railroads in NY City Streets
>
>
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>>Following on our thread several months ago about comings and goings of New
>>York Central and predecessors in city streets south of 42nd Street, here's
>a
>>photo of a plant under construction at Ave D and 14th Street around
1910 --
>>along one side (I can't tell if it's 14th St or Ave D) are what look like
>>real class I RR freight cars.  How would they have gotten there?  Were
>there
>>branches that far over from the NY&H line down 4th Avenue and Bowery?
Were
>>there once carfloats and float bridges onto the east side as there were so
>>many onto the west side?  Or . . . ?
>>Thanks
>>Steve Delibert
>>

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