Re: (rshsdepot) [oops!] NYTimes: From 70's Relic, a PossiblePATH Station

["Paul S. Luchter" <luckyshow_@_mindspring.com>]

The WTC was built where the Hudson Terminal twins were
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From: James Kelling <james.kelling_@_nara.gov>
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Date: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) [oops!] NYTimes: From 70's Relic, a PossiblePATH
Station


>It may have been a transit strike.  I'm assuming the Hudson Terminal Bldg.
>of 1909 is no longer there, just the underground station?
>
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>Well, that was pretty stupid wasn't it-here is the photo from the article
>on
>bringing Church Street Station back to life....so what was going on that
>May
>1946?
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>From: Steven Delibert <stevdel_@_prodigy.net>
>To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net <rshsdepot@lists.railfan.net>
>Date: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:08 AM
>Subject: (rshsdepot) NYTimes: From 70's Relic, a Possible PATH Station
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>
>>November 13, 2001
>>
>>THE HUDSON TUBE
>>From 70's Relic, a Possible PATH Station
>>By JAMES GLANZ
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/13/nyregion/13COLL.html?searchpv=3DnytToda
>y
>>The old Hudson and Manhattan Railroad station on the eastern edge of the
>>World Trade Center site, closed since the early 1970's, could be restored
>>and reopened as a permanent replacement for the PATH station that was
>partly
>>crushed in the collapse of the trade towers, an official at the Port
>>Authority of New York and New Jersey said yesterday.
>>
>>The plan, which could cost $1.5 billion, is one of several PATH
>alternatives
>>under consideration. It would take four to five years and would involve a
>>temporary reopening of the damaged station in perhaps two years, said the
>>official, Raymond E. Sandiford, the Port Authority's chief geotechnical
>>engineer, who spoke yesterday at a forum on the disaster at Columbia
>>University.
>>
>>Moving the permanent station to the old Hudson and Manhattan stop - just
>>west of Church Street, and east of the damaged station - would let the
>Port
>>Authority finish the project without interfering in any private developer'
>s
>>work to raise new buildings at the heart of the trade center site, Mr.
>>Sandiford said.
>>
>>"We could do all our work there, where it's clear of what he's doing,"
>Mr.
>>Sandiford said.
>>
>>Yesterday's forum, sponsored by the School of Engineering and Applied
>>Science at Columbia, also offered fresh details on the causes and
>technical
>>implications of the collapse of the trade towers.
>>
>>Both the presentations and the questions from members of the audience,
>many
>>of them engineers, exposed the roiling uncertainty that the collapses
>have
>>produced in the technical community over whether the standards and codes
>>that govern building design should be altered to deal with the possibility
>
>>of terrorist attacks.
>>
>>The forum's speakers, including many people directly involved in the
>>original design of the towers and the cleanup after their collapse,
>agreed
>>that no design could guarantee that a building would survive being struck
>by
>>a jetliner laden with fuel. But many said it was inevitable that, in the
>>wake of the disaster, codes covering fire resistance, structure and
>>emergency escapes for high-rise buildings would be altered.
>>
>>"That's going to happen," said Charles Thornton, chairman of
>>LZA/Thornton-Tomasetti, an engineering company that is advising the city
>on
>>the cleanup. "You're going to have to change the code."
>>
>>Mr. Thornton and other structural engineers said many life-saving changes
>>would not necessarily be extremely expensive. He said that simple
>measures
>>like having crossbeams run continuously through a building - rather than
>>being jointed, or connected as separate pieces, at each vertical column -
>>could help protect against total collapse if one column is knocked out by
>a
>>bomb or another terrorist attack.
>>
>>Richard Tomasetti, president of LZA/Thornton-Tomasetti, said some of the
>>company's customers were already asking for such measures, even though
>they
>>have not yet been written into building codes and so are not mandatory.
>>
>>Ultimately, code changes could go beyond structural issues, said Frank
>>Lombardi, the Port Authority's chief engineer. "As a result of the World
>>Trade Center, I think you'll see some fire standards be improved," he
>said.
>>
>>Each trade tower survived the initial impact of a jet fully loaded with
>>fuel; both collapsed when fires stoked by the fuel softened the steel
>that
>>held up the towers, creating conditions never envisioned in the towers'
>>design.
>>
>>Another outcome of the disaster is likely to be the new PATH station. The
>>final plan will be chosen from several alternatives under consideration,
>>said Allen Morrison, a Port Authority spokesman.
>>
>>"From a policy point of view, there have been absolutely no decisions
>made
>>on the reconstruction of the PATH station," Mr. Morrison said.
>>
>>But if engineers can quickly clear debris and secure an underground
>>retaining wall at the trade center site - a structure often called the
>>bathtub, since it keeps the waters of the Hudson out - then the existing,
>da
>>maged PATH station could be reopened about two years from now, Mr.
>Morrison
>>said. New pedestrian entrances could be built near Vesey Street to the
>north
>>and Liberty Street on the south.
>>
>>In one leading plan, that station would then serve as a stopgap, with few
>>pedestrian connections or amenities, and construction began to reopen the
>>old Hudson and Manhattan stop, which has remained in a state of ghostly
>>abandonment since being closed in 1971. For now the structure consists of
>>little more than an empty concrete box that would have to be lengthened
>so
>>as many as 10 cars could stop at the platform at once.
>>
>>Some Port Authority engineers favor this plan because it avoids the
>>complications that would arise if the damaged PATH station were being
>fully
>>rehabilitated while, in the same area, new buildings were being constructe
>d
>>on the World Trade Center site. That would require close choreography of
>>workers and heavy equipment on the two projects.
>>
>>The new station would eventually have underground pedestrian connections
>to
>>all the other subways in the area, including the N, R, E, C, 1, 9, 4, 5,
>M
>>and J lines.
>>
>>Any plan to return the PATH train to service will also involve repairing
>>water damage to the system. The train tunnels are still plugged with
>>concrete stoppers on the New Jersey side inserted when water was
>discovered
>>to be leaking into the tunnels.
>>
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