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Subject: (erielack) Re: EL Mail List Digest V3 #2120
From: "John 1" <wertj001_@_hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 02:20:21 -1000
References: <200608270933.k7R9X0Kp039076_@_net.bluemoon.net>
Aloha All,

Rented the movie from Blockbuster about a year ago.  Thought it was filmed 
on the Suzy Q, but have no way of knowing.  Thought the movie was well done.

John :)

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "EL Mail List Digest" <erielack-owner_@_lists.elhts.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 11:33 PM
Subject: EL Mail List Digest V3 #2120


>
> EL Mail List Digest      Sunday, August 27 2006      Volume 03 : Number 
> 2120
>
>
> Subjects:
>
> Re: (erielack) EL & Erie 50' double door boxcars
> (erielack) Automotive traffic
> RE: (erielack) Union Dry Dock Today
> (erielack) More MU's in the 8-26-06 ABPR
> (erielack) Latest Plan for Buffalo DL&W Terminal
> (erielack) Update on Erie viaduct project in Elmira
> RE: (erielack) EL & Erie 50' double door boxcars
> RE: (erielack) EL & Erie 50' double door boxcars
> (erielack) Re: Automotive traffic
> (erielack) Automotive Traffic & 50 ' DD Boxcars
> (erielack) dlw fm 1600 drawing
> (erielack) Fw: Aug. 26, 1969   37 years later today
> RE: (erielack) Union Dry Dock Today
> (erielack) The Station Agent
> RE: (erielack) Automotive traffic
>
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> References: <004701c6c76f$dad75440$7a01a8c0_@_paul>
> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 05:33:37 -0400
> From: "Todd Stearns" <toddsyr_@_twcny.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: (erielack) EL & Erie 50' double door boxcars
>
> Years ago when I went to truck driving school, our instructor pointed out
> that many things in the transportation industries are cyclical. Your post
> helps prove that well. Companies must adapt to these cycles if they wish 
> to
> remain in business. At least the railroads now realize this too. Too bad 
> it
> didn't catch on decades earlier! Well, actually, wasn't the E-L one of the
> forerunners for piggyback service? Also, they did make the change from
> boxcars to autoracks at an early stage too didn't they? I believe that has
> been pointed out already, just checking. Todd
> - ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Brezicki" <doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net>
> To: "EL Mailing List" <erielack_@_lists.elhts.org>
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 7:24 AM
> Subject: (erielack) EL & Erie 50' double door boxcars
>
>
>> This raises a very important issue, and reminds me of a long-ago Trains
> column by John Kneiling. Some of you probably remember this consulting
> engineer and self-titled "Professional Iconoclast". He was regarded as
> something of a crackpot by many because of his radical ideas, blunt style
> and social commentary which was "reactionary" to put it mildly. However he
> had some good points and his columns were entertaining. Similar to George
> Hilton, his basic premise was that the RR industry was failing in large
> measure due to it's technological and organizational obsolescence. This
> particular column oulined his theory that common carriage was an anomaly 
> in
> the history of transportation, and the decline of the industry was in part 
> a
> manifestation of the return to private carriage, or at least a
> transportation system where each load was under direct supervision
> throughout it's journey. In the ninteenth century, the RR's were so
> technologically superior to the canal and mule-cart  that!
>>   it outweighed the inherent problems of the unsupervised movement of
> goods on thousands of miles of track including delays and Loss and Damage.
> The advent of the highway system and the internal combustion engine 
> enabled
> a return to the mode that gave shippers more control and better 
> reliability.
> The decay of inner cities and the general rise of vandalism exacerbate the
> vulnerability of rail shipments that spend much of their time sitting in
> yards and junctions. Hence the loss of emergency vehicle and farm 
> equipment
> traffic.
>>
>> Paul B
>>
>> Probably a reason why fire apparatus no longer are shipped via rail is a
>> reason why much farm equipment no longer is shipped by rail--on flat
>> cars, it is exposed and easily vandalized while it sits in yards waiting
>> for the next train.
>>
>>
>> Ken Bush
>>
>>
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> Message-ID: <000801c6c902$553d5c00$7a01a8c0_@_paul>
> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 07:25:28 -0400
> From: "Paul Brezicki" <doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net>
> Subject: (erielack) Automotive traffic
>
> Yes Todd, "TV" (TrailVan) was the PC and then CR symbol for intermodal 
> trains. It was created by PC as a blending of PRR "TT" (TrucTrain) and NYC 
> "SV" (Supervan) symbols. They also had "Mail" trains, which were Flexivan 
> consists in PC days. TV-79 was the main NY-Chicago TOFC symbol on the 
> Water Level Route during the first half of CR, leaving N Bergen in the wee 
> hours and arriving Chicago around 0700 the next morning.
>
> Paul B
>
> From: "Todd Stearns" <toddsyr_@_twcny.rr.com>
> Subject: (erielack) Re: Automotive Traffic (was El Erie 50' double door 
> boxcars)
>
> Again, thanks Paul. TV-79. Was that a Conrail train? Sounds like one of 
> their train numbers if I remember right.
>
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> Message-ID: <HIELIAFGPJHBGOEDAMIAIEPNFKAA.strole.jc_@_verizon.net>
> In-Reply-To: <44EFB59B.8070105_@_netscape.net>
> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 07:35:41 -0400
> From: "John C. Strole" <strole.jc_@_verizon.net>
> Subject: RE: (erielack) Union Dry Dock Today
>
> Is this 'Union Dry Dock' the same company that was in Weehawken, NJ?  It 
> was
> just south of the West Shore passenger terminal -- my grandfather worked
> there as a carpenter up until the 1940s or so.
>
> <><   john   ><>
>
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> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 12:37:39 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "J. Henry Priebe Jr." <root_@_net.bluemoon.net>
> Subject: (erielack) More MU's in the 8-26-06 ABPR
>
> More 4300 series MU's today.
>
> http://abpr2.railfan.net/abpr.cgi?dir=08-26-06&s=%5Cbel%5Cd
>
> Henry
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> From: Joseph Testagrose joet5_@_optonline.net
> Subject: US - EL4327atMadison6-27-77SZ.jpg
> Photo by Steve Zabel, my collection.
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:13:07 -0400 -- File Info: JPEG 1024x690
> EL4327atMadison6-27-77SZ.jpg     203496 bytes
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>
> From: Joseph Testagrose joet5_@_optonline.net
> Subject: US - EL4328atHobokenNJ2-19-73.jpg
> Photo my collection.
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:13:08 -0400 -- File Info: JPEG 1024x685
> EL4328atHobokenNJ2-19-73.jpg     273377 bytes
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>
> From: Joseph Testagrose joet5_@_optonline.net
> Subject: US - EL4328atMurrayHill6-13-77EM.jpg
> Photo by Ed McKernan, my collection.
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:13:10 -0400 -- File Info: JPEG 1024x663
> EL4328atMurrayHill6-13-77EM.jpg     211547 bytes
>
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>
> From: Joseph Testagrose joet5_@_optonline.net
> Subject: US - EL4330atMurrayHill5-13-80SZ.jpg
> Photo by Steve Zabel, my collection.
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:13:11 -0400 -- File Info: JPEG 1024x681
> EL4330atMurrayHill5-13-80SZ.jpg     226693 bytes
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> 5/14
>
> From: Joseph Testagrose joet5_@_optonline.net
> Subject: US - EL4336atHobokenNJ2-75EM.jpg
> Photo by Ed McKernan, my collection.
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:13:13 -0400 -- File Info: JPEG 1024x639
> EL4336atHobokenNJ2-75EM.jpg     207102 bytes
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>
> From: Joseph Testagrose joet5_@_optonline.net
> Subject: US - EL4336atMurrayHill5-13-80SZ.jpg
> Photo by Steve Zabel, my collection.
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:13:14 -0400 -- File Info: JPEG 1024x688
> EL4336atMurrayHill5-13-80SZ.jpg     198459 bytes
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>
> From: Joseph Testagrose joet5_@_optonline.net
> Subject: US - EL4336atSouthOrangeNJ12-28-76SZ.jpg
> Photo by Steve Zabel, my collection.
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:13:15 -0400 -- File Info: JPEG 1024x680
> EL4336atSouthOrangeNJ12-28-76SZ.jpg     171406 bytes
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>
> From: Joseph Testagrose joet5_@_optonline.net
> Subject: US - EL4336atStirling5-13-80SZ.jpg
> Photo by Steve Zabel, my collection.
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:13:18 -0400 -- File Info: JPEG 1024x689
> EL4336atStirling5-13-80SZ.jpg     235938 bytes
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>
> From: Joseph Testagrose joet5_@_optonline.net
> Subject: US - EL4336atStirling5-13-80SZ1.jpg
> Photo by Steve Zabel, my collection.
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:13:16 -0400 -- File Info: JPEG 1024x694
> EL4336atStirling5-13-80SZ1.jpg     269853 bytes
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>
> From: Joseph Testagrose joet5_@_optonline.net
> Subject: US - EL4337atMadison6-27-77EM.jpg
> Photo by Ed McKernan, my collection.
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:13:20 -0400 -- File Info: JPEG 1024x672
> EL4337atMadison6-27-77EM.jpg     208950 bytes
>
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>
> From: Joseph Testagrose joet5_@_optonline.net
> Subject: US - EL4337atShortHills1-7-81SZ.jpg
> Photo by Steve Zabel, my collection.
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:13:21 -0400 -- File Info: JPEG 1024x672
> EL4337atShortHills1-7-81SZ.jpg     248340 bytes
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>
> From: Joseph Testagrose joet5_@_optonline.net
> Subject: US - EL4339nearChatham6-27-77SZ.jpg
> Photo by Steve Zabel, my collection.
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:13:22 -0400 -- File Info: JPEG 1024x668
> EL4339nearChatham6-27-77SZ.jpg     317366 bytes
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>
> From: Joseph Testagrose joet5_@_optonline.net
> Subject: US - EL4341atGladstone5-25-77SZ.jpg
> Photo by Steve Zabel, my collection.
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:13:24 -0400 -- File Info: JPEG 1024x686
> EL4341atGladstone5-25-77SZ.jpg     208046 bytes
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>
> From: Joseph Testagrose joet5_@_optonline.net
> Subject: US - EL4341atMillburn1-7-81SZ.jpg
> Photo by Steve Zabel, my collection.
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:13:26 -0400 -- File Info: JPEG 1024x681
> EL4341atMillburn1-7-81SZ.jpg     186826 bytes
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> Message-ID: <004b01c6c938$8000de90$08c74744_@_S0029130293>
> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:53:12 -0400
> From: "rdukarm" <rdukarm_@_adelphia.net>
> Subject: (erielack) Latest Plan for Buffalo DL&W Terminal
>
> NOTE: This message had contained at least one image attachment.
> To view or download the image(s), click on or cut and paste the
> following URL into your web browser:
>
>
> http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-08-26-06
>
> DLW_Term_First_Level.jpg (image/jpeg, 1326x890 109996 bytes, BF: 10.73 
> ppb)
> DLW_Term_Upper_Deck_Inside.jpg (image/jpeg, 1299x853 269634 bytes, BF: 
> 4.11 ppb)
> DLW_Term_Upper_Deck.jpg (image/jpeg, 1318x886 308308 bytes, BF: 3.79 ppb)
>
> List,
>
> Here is Plan # 63 for the Buffalo DL&W Terminal. Don't put much stock
> in it. The Niagara Frontier Transportation Authority (NFTA) produces
> 2 or 3 plans a year for the past 25 years. Their motto and Mission 
> Statement
> reads: "PLANNING, NOT DOING". Late last year - a gambling casino. Earlier
> last year - home to the Buffalo & Erie County Historiacal Society. Before 
> that -
> a railroad museum. Before that - a hotel, etc. etc. etc.
>
> Attached are 3 photos I took back in the early 80's when the terminal was
> being converted to storage sheds and a maintenance facility for the NFTA
> light rail. My friend was construction manager for the site and I gained 
> rare
> access and information.
>
> Main Street may see revival - 2 ideas entertained for 3-block section
>
> By SHARON LINSTEDT
> Buffalo News Staff Reporter
> 8/26/2006
>
> The former DL&W train terminal at the foot of Main Street could become a 
> convention center, and the nearby HSBC Atrium office building could be 
> converted to a hotel under a long-term vision to revitalize Buffalo's 
> Lower Main Street.
> The Erie Canal Harbor Development Corp. on Friday confirmed that those two 
> high-concept reuses are being contemplated as part of its effort to 
> transform a three-block section of Main Street, from the Buffalo River to 
> Exchange Street. The goal is to turn it into a place to work, live and 
> play, anchored by a Bass Pro Shops Outdoor World store in the Aud.
>
> "I would categorize these as early concepts of what could be," said Larry 
> Quinn, vice president of the harbor development panel.
>
> The convention center and hotel ideas are "extremely preliminary, but 
> intriguing," he added.
>
> "We haven't talked to the [Niagara Frontier Transportation Authority, 
> which owns the DL&W terminal] and have had a brief conversation with HSBC 
> Bank. We're only at the point where we're dreaming several years out about 
> what could happen on Lower Main Street," he said.
>
> In March, the harbor panel unveiled a multiphase blueprint for some $1.4 
> billion in development aimed at harnessing the momentum of Bass Pro, the 
> Erie Canal Harbor restoration and the emerging Cobblestone District to 
> create a neighborhood along Main Street. These latest ideas are part of a 
> "fleshing out" process, Quinn said.
>
> "We're continuing to work on specifics for the first phase, but we also 
> need to look out into the future. Both the DL&W and HSBC buildings are in 
> the footprint of the project, so we can't ignore them. We need to consider 
> both short-term and long-range possibilities," he said.
>
> He noted that the plan unveiled in March included housing across the 
> Buffalo River on the outer harbor, accessed via a two-lane lift bridge 
> that hasn't been built.
>
> "That's another example of contemplating what's possible. We're exploring 
> the "what ifs' to make sure this is the best project it can be," Quinn 
> added.
>
> Ronald R. Dukarm
> rdukarm_@_adelphia.net
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> Message-ID: <20060826185714.37577.qmail_@_web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:57:13 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Rob Piecuch <lmprjp88_@_yahoo.com>
> Subject: (erielack) Update on Erie viaduct project in Elmira
>
> Todays Elmira Star Gazette newspaper features an article about the planned 
> improvements to the former Erie Railroad viaduct. Go to stargazette.com 
> "Local News" and the story titled "A Step Forward".
>
>  The complete link 
> http://www.stargazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060826/NEWS01/608260315/1001/NEWS
>
>  Rob Piecuch
>  Horseheads, NY
>
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> In-Reply-To: <008601c6c8f0$5979d260$7a593b18_@_twcny.rr.com>
> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 15:10:08 -0400
> From: "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee_@_verizon.net>
> Subject: RE: (erielack) EL & Erie 50' double door boxcars
>
>
>
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Paul Brezicki" <doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 5:11 AM
>> Subject: Re: (erielack) EL & Erie 50' double door boxcars
>>
>>
>> > Mike, Todd and group,
>> >
>> > Now that's interesting. D&H is about the least likely
>> Scranton Class 1 to be handling auto traffic into that city, since most 
>> of the
>> assembly lines were in the midwest and the D&H was pointed towards New 
>> England
>> and eastern Canada. The autos were most likely received in interchange 
>> from the Erie at
>> > Jefferson Jct (so Erie was still getting the bulk of the line-haul), 
>> > D&H
>> or LV at Binghamton, or a more circuitous route off the NYC at
>> Schenectady. In the EL era, the only auto ramp in northeast PA was the
>> Chrysler facility at Mount Pocono. EL also had a facility at Jersey City. 
>> One thing that
>> puzzles me is why it didn't have an auto unloading ramp on the west
>> end, Chicago being the most obvious market. EL handled substantial 
>> westbound auto
>> traffic from Ford at Mahwah and from the GM plant at Framingham MA 
>> (received from
>> NH/PC at Maybrook), and apparently interchanged all of it with western
>> connections. Does anyone know how this traffic was routed?
>> >
>> > Paul B
>
> I didn't read this post very carefully the first time around. (This is 
> quoted from Todd's response,
> therefore all the >'s.)
>
> For GM vehicles, I would bet that the traffic on the D&H was, in fact, 
> coming off the NYC at
> Schenectady.  The Detroit area plants, and certainly the Framingham plant 
> (the B&A line runs
> directly adjacent to it) could ship that way.  And I bet the tariff they 
> published gave an
> advantageous rate.  The Ford plant at Mahwah is more problematic.  Is 
> there any information about
> which brand lines were going via D&H?
>
> I can believe that the ERIE/EL got the business via Maybrook from the NH, 
> but I'd guess it much less
> likely after it became PC.
>
> SGL
>
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> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 15:14:23 -0400
> From: "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee_@_verizon.net>
> Subject: RE: (erielack) EL & Erie 50' double door boxcars
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: erielack-owner_@_lists.elhts.org
>> [mailto:erielack-owner_@_lists.elhts.org] On Behalf Of Todd Stearns
>> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 5:34 AM
>> To: erielack_@_lists.elhts.org
>> Subject: Re: (erielack) EL & Erie 50' double door boxcars
>>
>> Years ago when I went to truck driving school, our instructor
>> pointed out that many things in the transportation industries
>> are cyclical. Your post helps prove that well. Companies must
>> adapt to these cycles if they wish to remain in business. At
>> least the railroads now realize this too. Too bad it didn't
>> catch on decades earlier! Well, actually, wasn't the E-L one
>> of the forerunners for piggyback service?
>
> The EL didn't exist yet.  Both the ERIE and the DL&W were leaders in 
> piggyback.
>
> SGL
>
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> Message-ID: <004701c6c944$cae4f700$6c50cf45_@_twcny.rr.com>
> References: <000801c6c902$553d5c00$7a01a8c0_@_paul>
> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 15:21:11 -0400
> From: "Todd Stearns" <toddsyr_@_twcny.rr.com>
> Subject: (erielack) Re: Automotive traffic
>
> Thanks Paul, I thought so. I didn't know the symbol originated with PC 
> though, good to learn! Very interesting on how the TV term came to be 
> also. Flexivans I am somewhat familiar with. I know where one sits in NY. 
> It's down around South Otselic. I took some photos of it awhile back. If 
> you or anyone would like to see them, go to reply # 38 at this website:
>
> http://forums.railfan.net/forums.cgi?board=concourse;action=display;num=1127156317;start
>
> The pics continue onto the next page as well. Thanks again for bearing 
> with my many questions and helping learn alot more about the earlier 
> railroad years. To me, they were the best! Back on the automobile traffic 
> topic, anyone know about what percentage, if any, of auto racks go to the 
> NYC metro area loaded and come back loaded with imports going westbound? 
> Todd
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Paul Brezicki
>  To: Todd Stearns ; EL Mailing List
>  Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 7:25 AM
>  Subject: Automotive traffic
>
>
>  Yes Todd, "TV" (TrailVan) was the PC and then CR symbol for intermodal 
> trains. It was created by PC as a blending of PRR "TT" (TrucTrain) and NYC 
> "SV" (Supervan) symbols. They also had "Mail" trains, which were Flexivan 
> consists in PC days. TV-79 was the main NY-Chicago TOFC symbol on the 
> Water Level Route during the first half of CR, leaving N Bergen in the wee 
> hours and arriving Chicago around 0700 the next morning.
>
>  Paul B
>
>  From: "Todd Stearns" <toddsyr_@_twcny.rr.com>
>  Subject: (erielack) Re: Automotive Traffic (was El Erie 50' double door 
> boxcars)
>
>  Again, thanks Paul. TV-79. Was that a Conrail train? Sounds like one of 
> their train numbers if I remember right.
>
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> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 15:34:46 EDT
> From: RJFlei_@_aol.com
> Subject: (erielack) Automotive Traffic & 50 ' DD Boxcars
>
> List,
>
> Packard Electric Div. of General Motors Corp. in Warren, Oh. used to ship
> wiring harnesses to auto assembly plants in Erie or EL 50' DD boxcars.
>
> Rick Fleischer
> Cortland, Oh.
>
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> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 17:20:35 -0500
> From: "Bill Weibel" <weib3_@_centurytel.net>
> Subject: (erielack) dlw fm 1600 drawing
>
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> I found this page out of Lackawanna drawing book, I've had it since the 
> fifties, was given it by The DL&W Chemist, Mr Laudig..at the old DL&W Lab 
> Building behind the erecting shop (then an ammunition supplier) on Cedar 
> Ave Scranton.
>
> Bill
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> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 18:57:38 -0700
> From: "Michael Nickerson" <michael4449_@_yahoo.com>
> Subject: (erielack) Fw: Aug. 26, 1969   37 years later today
>
> Dear List,
>
> Due to the amount of EL trains involved, with the author's permission, I 
> forward this from the Yahoo! Group NCIR
>
> Mike Nickerson
> Tracy CA USA
>
> - ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kevin Nelson"
> To: "NCIR"
> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 4:01 AM
> Subject: [ NCIR ] Aug. 26, 1969 37 years later today
>
>
> Group:
> 37 years ago today, Victor Williamson took my twin Brother (Kent) and I 
> (Kevin) on our first Rail Fanning Road Trip. It
> wasn't"t very far from Marion, in fact, it was Huntington, IN. It was the 
> first time we got to see the Erie Lackackawanna. The
> Norfolk and Western crossed the E-L also there. We arrived probably around 
> 7:00am or so. I remember the sun rising on the way there
> with a very large orange ball coming up on that morning. Our first siting 
> was a E-L RS-3 parked on the engine track at the yards. A
> short time later, a 3 unit set up of E-L E-8's eastbound pulled up to the 
> freight station to change crews as Huntington was a crew
> change point for all of the E-L trains passing through. We shot a few 
> cheap ole pictures with our Brownie cameras, and then took 8mm
> movies of them pulling out of town. To make a long story short, I will 
> close with saying we had a great day all the way to almost
> sunset. We got to see that large orange ball set on the way home. During 
> the
> day at some point while waiting for some more trains to arrive. Vic took 
> my brothers and myself photo on the long end of a EL
> SDP-45. Click in the link below to view it.
>
> http://kevin.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=483477
>
> This is kinda my way to celebrate this day 37 years past. I hope you 
> enjoyed the short story of 37 Years Later Today. Take
> care and Happy and Safe Rail fanning to all.
> Kevin
>
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> In-Reply-To: <002201c6c89f$da6a6980$08c74744_@_S0029130293>
> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 23:30:49 -0400
> From: "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee_@_verizon.net>
> Subject: RE: (erielack) Union Dry Dock Today
>
> For a contrast to these photos see page 102 in the latest issue of Classic 
> Trains.
>
> SGL
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: erielack-owner_@_lists.elhts.org
>> [mailto:erielack-owner_@_lists.elhts.org] On Behalf Of rdukarm
>> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 7:41 PM
>> To: erielack_@_lists.elhts.org
>> Subject: (erielack) Union Dry Dock Today
>>
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>> bytes, BF: 0.68 ppb) Union_Dry_Dock_MWLK_car_3_8-06.jpg
>> (image/jpeg, 640x480 438249 bytes, BF: 0.70 ppb)
>>
>> List,
>>
>> I got a call last week from the present-day Union Dry Dock Co.
>> that they had two rail cars for donation and we were the group
>> (WNYRHS) to contact.
>>
>> The boat LANDSDOWN is at their dock with two ex-Milwaukee
>> Road round-end observation cars which have to be removed so
>> the boat can be remade into a restuarant and towed to
>> Toronto, Canada.
>>
>> I informed the president of the company that I just authored
>> a history of the drydock when the Erie owned it, 1870-1910.
>> He knew the drydock had a storied history but never that it
>> was owned by the Erie. He gave us full run of the yard. We
>> checked the condition of the cars and have yet to make a decision.
>>
>> The yard still has track in it and could be reconnented to
>> the Buffalo Creek track if nescessary. The dry docks are
>> filled in but could be dug out. Work is now done at the river's edge.
>> This was my first time on the property as it was always well
>> fenced and guarded. The building dates from the Erie's days.
>>
>> Ronald R. Dukarm  ELHS #532  ELHTS #66
>> rdukarm_@_adelphia.net
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> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 04:34:08 EDT
> From: Njricky2_@_aol.com
> Subject: (erielack) The Station Agent
>
> Got home very late after a very nice evening of good NYC jazz. I turned on
> the TV to find this move in midstream on the Independent Film Channel 
> (IFC).
>
> I don't know if you have this channel but the movie, "The Station Agent" 
> was
> on and I watched. It's basically about three people going through their
> lives but they all revolve around a depot, which looks like it's in 
> northwest  NJ.
>
> Bottom line is that everything seems to come back to the railroad and  the
> abandoned depot that looks very much DL&W.
>
> There are a number of shots of a passenger car that a young girl enjoys.
> Perhaps some one can shed some light on the car's history.
>
> The taller actor is the guy who played the partner of Will on "Will &
> Grace". In that show he portrayed an NYC cop. In this movie, he's Hispanic 
> and
> operates a food truck with a Puerto Rican flag on the side.
>
> One of the best scenes is when the Susquehanna's double team in their 
> black
> and yellow rolls through and he drives the truck in the real train chase. 
> He
> loves the trains, thus he follows until his truck can't keep up with the
> Susquehanna's bumble bees.
>
> If you have IFC you know that sometimes the language is not for the kids 
> and
> this movie, as emotional as it is, is not for the younger ones.
>
> If anyone knows more about this movie, if it was filmed in northwest NJ, 
> I'd
> sure appreciate you sharing what you know.
>
> It's one of those movies that apparently "never made it to mainstream" but
> the railroad content is very good. I enjoyed the scenes where they walk 
> the
> tracks, especially the scene where they're on the one track and you can 
> see that
> it was once double tracked. Very good shots of what Erie Lackawanna was in
> northwest NJ if it was filmed there.
>
> Just wanted to share what I found to be a real interesting film.
>
> Rick
>
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> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 04:51:01 -0400
> From: "Philip Martin" <martinpl3_@_earthlink.net>
> Subject: RE: (erielack) Automotive traffic
>
> Paul Brezicki says:  "TV-79...leaving N Bergen in the wee hours and
> arriving Chicago around 0700 the next morning."  If it left North Bergen
> at, say 2am Eastern Time, and arrived in Chi town at 7am Central Time the
> second day, that's thirty hours.  Since you're talking the water level
> route, the 20th Century Limited made it in sixteen hours, 6pm Eastern Time
> out of New York City-9am Central Time in Chicago, in 1963.  The Broadway
> Limited had the same departure and arrival times.  To be on topic, in 1960
> the Erie Limited made the trip in twenty three and a half hours- 9:30 am
> Eastern out of Hoboken to 8am Central in Chicago.   (Looking at this last
> Erie timetable from forty-six years ago, a coach seat from New York to
> Elmira cost $9.61; today at ticket from New York to Morristown is $9.50.)
> I can't dispute Paul's figures, but I wonder if nearly double the time of
> the fastest trains is correct.  Weren't the TVs hot shot trains too?
> Philip Martin
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