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Re: (erielack) Re: EL Mail List Digest V3 #4108
- Subject: Re: (erielack) Re: EL Mail List Digest V3 #4108
- From: "Chuck Yungkurth" <raildata_@_comcast.net>
- Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:14:22 -0700
- References: <201202101033.q1AAX0I8093416_@_net.bluemoon.net> <1328904087.93348.YahooMailNeo@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
There is a photo around showing a train on the Ithaca Branch leaving Owego
with a DL&W stock car right behind the engine. I think this is a Herb Trice
negative but Cal's Classics may have it. I saw one of those DL&W stock cars
once that was assigned to anthracite serive. There were board nailed inside
over the space between the slats. Seems these only covered the lower spaces
and were painted same color as the car. So you would ahve to look very close
to see the difference between it and a regluar stock car.
I had a negative of an Erie stock car in taken in Binghamton. I sold the
entire collection to an indivdual who I beleive laoned some of them to Bob's
Photos. So a print might be available there.
Chuck Yungkurth
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward Mines" <ed_mines_@_yahoo.com>
To: <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:01 PM
Subject: (erielack) Re: EL Mail List Digest V3 #4108
>
> Speaking of stock cars, does anyone have any photos of steam era
> Lackawanna stock cars? I've read that they were used for shipping coal
> with the sides blanked. How about Erie stock cars too.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: EL Mail List Digest <erielack-digest_@_lists.railfan.net>
> To: erielack-digest_@_lists.railfan.net
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 5:33 AM
> Subject: EL Mail List Digest V3 #4108
>
>
> EL Mail List Digest Friday, February 10 2012 Volume 03 : Number
> 4108
>
>
> Subjects:
>
> Re: (erielack) Grain in Boxcars
> (erielack) Unknown tunnel Portal
> Re: (erielack) Unknown tunnel Portal
> (erielack) Re: Unknown tunnel Portal
> Re: (erielack) Unknown tunnel Portal
> Re: (erielack) Unknown tunnel Portal
> Re: (erielack) Unknown tunnel Portal
> Re:Re: (erielack) Unknown tunnel Portal
> (erielack) Walnut Street station in Nutley (1936)
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> From Archives_@_Railfan.net
> Message-ID: <008c01cce72b$46b92310$d42b6930$@bellsouth.net>
> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:03:52 -0500
> From: "Paul Brezicki" <doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: (erielack) Grain in Boxcars
>
> The prairie provinces were probably the last bastion of boxcar grain
> traffic
> in North America, which persisted into the early 1990's. CP Rail had 672
> grain boxcars in 1990, 363 in 1992, and 209 in 1993. Trains had an article
> years ago about BN boxcar grain branches in Washington State in the
> 1980's.
>
> Paul B
>
>
>
> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 10:36:56 -0800 (PST)
>
> From: Robert Stafford <erielack1_@_yahoo.com>
>
> Subject: Re: (erielack) Grain in Boxcars
>
>
>
> In 1979 when I was working on the Alliance Division of the BN grain was
> still moving in 40ft box cars and 40ft stock cars with plywood sides off
> the
> "High Line" that ran east out of Sterling, Colorado and some of the light
> rail branch lines south of McCook, Nebraska, the old Wymore Division of
> the
> CBQ. By the end of 1980 these shipments where gone. Once the High LIne got
> track up grades to run unit coal trains to Wallace, NE that was the end of
> the box car grain traffic. The larger 100 ton grain cars would now be
> loaded
> on the branch.
>
>
>
> Bob Stafford
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> From Archives_@_Railfan.net
> Message-ID: <7AAA769234A12C488D778F7AD8169576014E040F3C_@_NJTMAIL01.njt.gov>
> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 09:10:46 -0500
> From: <RWisneski_@_njtransit.com>
> Subject: (erielack) Unknown tunnel Portal
>
> NOTE: This message had contained at least one image attachment.
> To view or download the image(s), click on or cut and paste the
> following URL into your web browser:
>
>
> http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-02-09-12
>
> DSC01619.jpg (image/jpeg, 2048x1536 534434 bytes, BF: 5.89 ppb)
>
> Bob, I believe this is the Erie Bergen Hill Tunnel, I've seen this photo
> before, it is dated Feb 10, 1906 and is in the Historic American
> Engineering Record NJ-22-7.
>
>
>
> Here is a link, you'll have to search through it a bit to find it.
>
>
> http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/habs_haer/
>
>
>
> I found it by browsing by place (on the left side), going to "N" for New
> Jersey, clicking next a few times until New Jersey - Hudson - Jersey City
> was visible, click on that link, go to the third page to find the Erie
> Railroad Open Cut link, click on that, and then browse the 19 b&w photos.
>
>
>
> I imagine I (and most other list members) could spend a few weeks browsing
> through all the photos you can find on this site.
>
>
>
> I have attached a photo from just a few years ago, a "down on" shot of the
> east portal of the Erie Tunnel, showing the concrete construction which no
> doubt was put in around the time of the Arches construction, but also
> importantly showing the three different engraved plaques on the façade
> (unfortunately it does not clearly show the entire plaque). I'm not sure
> but it looks to me like only the large panel listing the members of the
> Board of Directors is in the 1906 photo.
>
>
>
> Interestingly, the Erie Bergen Tunnel, which was recently cleared for full
> height double stacks and used by 10 or so trains per day in 2012, was
> opened for service BEFORE Abraham Lincoln was president, in early 1861.
> James Buchanan was still president until Lincoln's Inauguration in March,
> 1861.
>
>
>
> Rich Wisneski
>
>
>
> From Archives_@_Railfan.net<mailto:Archives@Railfan.net>
>
> Message-ID:
> <5cf2.610f3a75.3c647e82_@_aol.com<mailto:5cf2.610f3a75.3c647e82@aol.com>>
>
> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 20:42:26 -0500 (EST)
>
> From: Dlw1el2_@_aol.com<mailto:Dlw1el2@aol.com>
>
> Subject: (erielack) Unknown tunnel Portal
>
>
>
> http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-02-08-12
>
>
>
> Unknown_Portal001.jpg (image/jpeg, 623x484 73920 bytes, BF: 4.08 ppb)
>
>
>
>
>
> I originally thought this was the west end of Bergen Tunnel, old portal,
>
> Then possibly the east portal. After further checking neither one seems
>
> to be right. So, I'm open for opinions, confirmations, or donations.
>
> Hoping for the later but will take the first two if I have to. Erie
> Tunnel
>
> maybe?
>
> Bob Bahrs
>
>
>
> The Erie Lackawanna Mailing List
> http://EL-List.railfan.net/
> To Unsubscribe: http://Lists.Railfan.net/erielackunsub.html
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> From Archives_@_Railfan.net
> Message-ID: <169d9.613be09f.3c6543a8_@_aol.com>
> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:43:36 -0500 (EST)
> From: Dlw1el2_@_aol.com
> Subject: Re: (erielack) Unknown tunnel Portal
>
> Rich
> I know of the web site. That's where I initially saw the photo. But to
> me, it still doesn't come together correctly to be the West Portal of the
> Erie Tunnel? I state that because, look at photo's
> HAER JERCI 6-8 and 6-9 Both show what I assume to be the top of the
> head wall of the Erie Tunnel. Taken three months apart and both show the
> Erie
> tunnel as having a pointed ( peeked ) head wall over the portal. The
> photo in question, doesn't. The photo in question has a 100' cut
> leading up
> to it. The other two photo's show it as being JUST to the right, (
> South )
> of the Lackawanna's over head bridge. This bridge does not appear in the
> photo I question.
>
> I know this portal got changed and pushed back at least once, with either
> or both, the Lackawanna's second tunnel and / or the Erie archways being
> built. I have no idea when the archways were completed? I know it's not
> the same portal as today, having gone through it hundreds of times. It
> also
> seems to me that there was more land, ( mountain ) above the portal than
> what shows in the photo I question, but maybe I'm wrong on that.
>
> I know what the captions say, but............................
>
> Bob Bahrs
>
>
>
> In a message dated 2/9/2012 9:13:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> RWisneski_@_njtransit.com writes:
>
>
> NOTE: This message had contained at least one image attachment.
> To view or download the image(s), click on or cut and paste the
> following URL into your web browser:
>
>
> http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-02-09-12
>
> DSC01619.jpg (image/jpeg, 2048x1536 534434 bytes, BF: 5.89 ppb)
>
> Bob, I believe this is the Erie Bergen Hill Tunnel, I've seen this photo
> before, it is dated Feb 10, 1906 and is in the Historic American
> Engineering
> Record NJ-22-7.
>
>
>
> Here is a link, you'll have to search through it a bit to find it.
>
>
> http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/habs_haer/
>
>
>
> I found it by browsing by place (on the left side), going to "N" for New
> Jersey, clicking next a few times until New Jersey - Hudson - Jersey City
> was visible, click on that link, go to the third page to find the Erie
> Railroad Open Cut link, click on that, and then browse the 19 b&w photos.
>
>
>
> I imagine I (and most other list members) could spend a few weeks
> browsing
> through all the photos you can find on this site.
>
>
>
> I have attached a photo from just a few years ago, a "down on" shot of
> the
> east portal of the Erie Tunnel, showing the concrete construction which
> no
> doubt was put in around the time of the Arches construction, but also
> importantly showing the three different engraved plaques on the façade
> (unfortunately it does not clearly show the entire plaque). I'm not sure
> but it
> looks to me like only the large panel listing the members of the Board of
> Directors is in the 1906 photo.
>
>
>
> Interestingly, the Erie Bergen Tunnel, which was recently cleared for
> full
> height double stacks and used by 10 or so trains per day in 2012, was
> opened for service BEFORE Abraham Lincoln was president, in early 1861.
> James
> Buchanan was still president until Lincoln's Inauguration in March, 1861.
>
>
>
> Rich Wisneski
>
>
>
> From Archives_@_Railfan.net<mailto:Archives@Railfan.net>
>
> Message-ID:
> <5cf2.610f3a75.3c647e82_@_aol.com<mailto:5cf2.610f3a75.3c647e82@aol.com>>
>
> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 20:42:26 -0500 (EST)
>
> From: Dlw1el2_@_aol.com<mailto:Dlw1el2@aol.com>
>
> Subject: (erielack) Unknown tunnel Portal
>
>
>
> http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-02-08-12
>
>
>
> Unknown_Portal001.jpg (image/jpeg, 623x484 73920 bytes, BF: 4.08 ppb)
>
>
>
>
>
> I originally thought this was the west end of Bergen Tunnel, old
> portal,
>
> Then possibly the east portal. After further checking neither one
> seems
>
> to be right. So, I'm open for opinions, confirmations, or donations.
>
> Hoping for the later but will take the first two if I have to. Erie
> Tunnel
>
> maybe?
>
> Bob Bahrs
>
>
>
> The Erie Lackawanna Mailing List
> http://EL-List.railfan.net/
> To Unsubscribe: http://Lists.Railfan.net/erielackunsub.html
>
>
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> From Archives_@_Railfan.net
> Message-ID: <1328802325.68231.YahooMailNeo_@_web125705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> References: <201202091033.q19AX0s6071413_@_net.bluemoon.net>
> In-Reply-To: <201202091033.q19AX0s6071413_@_net.bluemoon.net>
> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 07:45:25 -0800 (PST)
> From: David Goessling <dgoessling_@_yahoo.com>
> Subject: (erielack) Re: Unknown tunnel Portal
>
> Erie? That sure looks like Jersey City up above...
> Could it be PRR/H&M?
> Are those mechanical signal lines or third rails?
>
> Dave G.
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> From Archives_@_Railfan.net
> Message-ID: <4F33F1B0.7070308_@_att.net>
> References: <201202091033.q19AX0s6071413_@_net.bluemoon.net>
> In-Reply-To: <201202091033.q19AX0s6071413_@_net.bluemoon.net>
> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:17:52 -0500
> From: "Dominic M. Scorziello" <dmscorz_@_att.net>
> Subject: Re: (erielack) Unknown tunnel Portal
>
>> I think Mike is correct. When I was a kid, we used to go to the cemetery
>> (what seemed like every week) in Fort Lee after picking up my Aunt in
>> Weehawken. We would take the Blvd and turn right to go down along the
>> river. I always remember a "tunnel" at the bottom of the hill of the
>> intersection. If you look at the photo. That could be the Blvd coming
>> from the left and the road to the river going to the right. Puting that
>> intersection above the portal as I remember it. Just my 2 cents from 40
>> yrs ago------------------------------
>>
>>
>> > From Archives_@_Railfan.net
>> Message-ID:<BAY162-W32A0EF0FC00F54DFA21232867B0_@_phx.gbl>
>> References:<5cf2.610f3a75.3c647e82_@_aol.com>
>> In-Reply-To:<5cf2.610f3a75.3c647e82_@_aol.com>
>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 20:51:15 -0500
>> From: Michael Connor<mjconnor_rr_@_hotmail.com>
>> Subject: RE: (erielack) Unknown tunnel Portal
>>
>> How about NYC (West Shore) Weehawken Tunnel Portal.MJC
>> > From: Dlw1el2_@_aol.com
>>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 20:42:26 -0500
>>> Subject: (erielack) Unknown tunnel Portal
>>> To: erielack_@_lists.railfan.net
>>>
>>>
>>> NOTE: This message had contained at least one image attachment.
>>> To view or download the image(s), click on or cut and paste the
>>> following URL into your web browser:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-02-08-12
>>>
>>> Unknown_Portal001.jpg (image/jpeg, 623x484 73920 bytes, BF: 4.08 ppb)
>>>
>>>
>>> I originally thought this was the west end of Bergen Tunnel, old
>>> portal,
>>> Then possibly the east portal. After further checking neither one
>>> seems
>>> to be right. So, I'm open for opinions, confirmations, or donations.
>>> Hoping for the later but will take the first two if I have to. Erie
>>> Tunnel
>>> maybe?
>>>
>>> Bob Bahrs
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> From Archives_@_Railfan.net
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> References: <201202091033.q19AX0s6071413_@_net.bluemoon.net>
> <4F33F1B0.7070308_@_att.net>
> In-Reply-To: <4F33F1B0.7070308_@_att.net>
> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:19:45 -0500
> From: "Dominic M. Scorziello" <dmscorz_@_att.net>
> Subject: Re: (erielack) Unknown tunnel Portal
>
> I think Mike is correct. When I was a kid, we used to go to the
> cemetery (what seemed like every week) in Fort Lee after picking up my
> Aunt in Weehawken. We would take the Blvd and turn right to go down
> along the river. I always remember a "tunnel" at the bottom of the hill
> of the intersection. If you look at the photo. That could be the Blvd
> coming from the left and the road to the river going to the right.
> Puting that intersection above the portal as I remember it. Just my 2
> cents from 40 yrs ago.
>
> Dominic
>>>
>>> > From Archives_@_Railfan.net
>>> Message-ID:<BAY162-W32A0EF0FC00F54DFA21232867B0_@_phx.gbl>
>>> References:<5cf2.610f3a75.3c647e82_@_aol.com>
>>> In-Reply-To:<5cf2.610f3a75.3c647e82_@_aol.com>
>>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 20:51:15 -0500
>>> From: Michael Connor<mjconnor_rr_@_hotmail.com>
>>> Subject: RE: (erielack) Unknown tunnel Portal
>>>
>>> How about NYC (West Shore) Weehawken Tunnel Portal.MJC
>>> > From: Dlw1el2_@_aol.com
>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 20:42:26 -0500
>>>> Subject: (erielack) Unknown tunnel Portal
>>>> To: erielack_@_lists.railfan.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> NOTE: This message had contained at least one image attachment.
>>>> To view or download the image(s), click on or cut and paste the
>>>> following URL into your web browser:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-02-08-12
>>>>
>>>> Unknown_Portal001.jpg (image/jpeg, 623x484 73920 bytes, BF: 4.08 ppb)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I originally thought this was the west end of Bergen Tunnel, old
>>>> portal,
>>>> Then possibly the east portal. After further checking neither one
>>>> seems
>>>> to be right. So, I'm open for opinions, confirmations, or
>>>> donations.
>>>> Hoping for the later but will take the first two if I have to.
>>>> Erie Tunnel
>>>> maybe?
>>>>
>>>> Bob Bahrs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> From Archives_@_Railfan.net
> Message-ID: <5c890.7407a0d.3c659592_@_aol.com>
> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 16:33:07 -0500 (EST)
> From: Dlw1el2_@_aol.com
> Subject: Re: (erielack) Unknown tunnel Portal
>
> Well, some one else pointed out to me that the web site states it's the
> east portal, which when I went back and looked, was correct. My mistake
> for
> missing that. I guess that's why I said it just didn't fit as being the
> west portal. The topography does fits the East portal better, but I
> remember the East portal having a big inscription about the Long Dock
> Company
> inscribed in it's head stone, which means the East end has also been
> altered.
>
> Bob Bahrs
>
>
> In a message dated 2/9/2012 10:45:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> Dlw1el2_@_aol.com writes:
>
> Rich
> I know of the web site. That's where I initially saw the photo. But
> to
> me, it still doesn't come together correctly to be the West Portal of
> the
> Erie Tunnel? I state that because, look at photo's
> HAER JERCI 6-8 and 6-9 Both show what I assume to be the top of the
> head wall of the Erie Tunnel. Taken three months apart and both show the
> Erie
> tunnel as having a pointed ( peeked ) head wall over the portal. The
> photo in question, doesn't. The photo in question has a 100' cut
> leading up
> to it. The other two photo's show it as being JUST to the right, ( South
> )
> of the Lackawanna's over head bridge. This bridge does not appear in the
> photo I question.
>
> I know this portal got changed and pushed back at least once, with either
> or both, the Lackawanna's second tunnel and / or the Erie archways being
> built. I have no idea when the archways were completed? I know it's
> not
> the same portal as today, having gone through it hundreds of times. It
> also
> seems to me that there was more land, ( mountain ) above the portal than
> what shows in the photo I question, but maybe I'm wrong on that.
>
> I know what the captions say, but............................
>
> Bob Bahrs
>
>
>
> In a message dated 2/9/2012 9:13:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> RWisneski_@_njtransit.com writes:
>
>
> NOTE: This message had contained at least one image attachment.
> To view or download the image(s), click on or cut and paste the
> following URL into your web browser:
>
>
> http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-02-09-12
>
> DSC01619.jpg (image/jpeg, 2048x1536 534434 bytes, BF: 5.89 ppb)
>
> Bob, I believe this is the Erie Bergen Hill Tunnel, I've seen this photo
> before, it is dated Feb 10, 1906 and is in the Historic American
> Engineering
> Record NJ-22-7.
>
>
>
> Here is a link, you'll have to search through it a bit to find it.
>
>
> http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/habs_haer/
>
>
>
> I found it by browsing by place (on the left side), going to "N" for New
> Jersey, clicking next a few times until New Jersey - Hudson - Jersey
> City
> was visible, click on that link, go to the third page to find the Erie
> Railroad Open Cut link, click on that, and then browse the 19 b&w
> photos.
>
>
>
> I imagine I (and most other list members) could spend a few weeks
> browsing
> through all the photos you can find on this site.
>
>
>
> I have attached a photo from just a few years ago, a "down on" shot of
> the
> east portal of the Erie Tunnel, showing the concrete construction which
> no
> doubt was put in around the time of the Arches construction, but also
> importantly showing the three different engraved plaques on the façade
> (unfortunately it does not clearly show the entire plaque). I'm not
> sure
> but it
> looks to me like only the large panel listing the members of the Board
> of
> Directors is in the 1906 photo.
>
>
>
> Interestingly, the Erie Bergen Tunnel, which was recently cleared for
> full
> height double stacks and used by 10 or so trains per day in 2012, was
> opened for service BEFORE Abraham Lincoln was president, in early 1861.
> James
> Buchanan was still president until Lincoln's Inauguration in March,
> 1861.
>
>
>
> Rich Wisneski
>
>
>
> The Erie Lackawanna Mailing List
> http://EL-List.railfan.net/
> To Unsubscribe: http://Lists.Railfan.net/erielackunsub.html
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> From Archives_@_Railfan.net
> Message-ID: <id.09022012220059.00000_@_FPE>
> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:00:59 EDT
> From: "Janet & Randy Brown" <jananran_@_mymailstation.com>
> Subject: Re:Re: (erielack) Unknown tunnel Portal
>
> On Feb 9 (today) Rich Wisneski posted a picture f the east ortal of the
> Erie's tunnel, showing three concrete "capstones" with engraved captions
> which mention Daniel Drew, Long Dock Company, and Bergen Tunnel.
> Interesting.
>
> Randy Brown
> - --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Well, some one else pointed out to me that the web site states it's the
> east portal, which when I went back and looked, was correct. My mistake
> for missing that. I guess that's why I said it just didn't fit as
> being the west portal. The topography does fits the East portal better,
> but I remember the East portal having a big inscription about the Long
> Dock Company inscribed in it's head stone, which means the East end has
> also been altered.
>
> Bob Bahrs
>
>
> The Erie Lackawanna Mailing List
> http://EL-List.railfan.net/
> To Unsubscribe: http://Lists.Railfan.net/erielackunsub.html
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> From Archives_@_Railfan.net
> Message-ID: <1328847077.23975.YahooMailNeo_@_web121503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 20:11:17 -0800 (PST)
> From: Todd Hollritt <thollritt_@_yahoo.com>
> Subject: (erielack) Walnut Street station in Nutley (1936)
>
> An Erie Railroad suburban train arrives at Nutley, Where it was reported
> seven men robbed the station agent seizing $1000.00 dollars.
> No sound....
>
> http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675042782_suburban-train_train-pulls-up-at-the-station_people-board-the-train
>
> Todd ~
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